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r.



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: What is the highest salary I can expect? Reply with quote

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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you by any chance have a MySpace page? PM me if you do. I might win a game we've been playing recently.
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r.



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Do you by any chance have a MySpace page? PM me if you do. I might win a game we've been playing recently.


no. what game are you playing?
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: What is the highest salary I can expect? Reply with quote

r. wrote:
English major, good GPA, good American university, no teaching experience, 26 yrs. old, caucasian, attending a top law school in one year, arranging job before I fly over--what number should I target when negotiating my pay?

2.0 mil?
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TheFonz



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: North Georgia

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot said:
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Do you by any chance have a MySpace page? PM me if you do. I might win a game we've been playing recently.


Laughing
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r.



Joined: 06 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheFonz wrote:
Hater Depot said:
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Do you by any chance have a MySpace page? PM me if you do. I might win a game we've been playing recently.


Laughing


www.myspace.you'reauselesstoolanddouchebag.com

You guys are so funny!!! Can I be like you?? Maybe when I am a hardened ESL Korea veteran?!! Thanks for all the help!
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, that link doesn't work.


Can someone confirm if Tiger Beer's post was meant to be serious? I've seen many people list higher starting salaries than that, so I'm thinking "joke". But then, TB doesn't horse around much, so that would seem to be his honest answer.
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Mr. Literal



Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Location: Third rock from the Sun.

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: What is the highest salary I can expect? Reply with quote

r. wrote:
English major, good GPA, good American university, no teaching experience, 26 yrs. old, caucasian, attending a top law school in one year


Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.

You'll be just another warm body in the Land of the Morning Kimchi.

Future law student - man, if I could just be a fly on the wall. Wait until you find out that toilet paper has more value than contracts in the ROK.
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plattwaz



Joined: 08 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What is the highest salary I can expect? Reply with quote

r. wrote:
English major, good GPA, good American university, no teaching experience, 26 yrs. old, caucasian, attending a top law school in one year, arranging job before I fly over--what number should I target when negotiating my pay?


You can expect the exact same salary as what the employer would be prepared to pay any other random foreigner with no teaching experience.
And nothing more.

To get an idea of what salaries are, look at job ads. You won't get any more than what they are offering, as you have nothing to offer them that isn't what they can get from anyone else.

Sorry. That's just the way it is.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Do you by any chance have a MySpace page? PM me if you do. I might win a game we've been playing recently.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

So wrong on so many levels.....

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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to the OP: it's true what they say about your experience offers. Here in Korea, it's about the color of your skin and the shape of your face and the nationality which you represent. Starting, as a new person, around 2mil at a decent place. 2.3 if you are lucky.
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ministry of Education guidelines -

Quote:
REMUNERATION


Level 3 : 1.8 million won per month

A Bachelor's degree from an accredited university in one of major English-speaking countries with the instructions taught in English.

Level 2 : 2.0 million won per month

Must have one of the following qualifications:

A valid teacher certification for either elementary or secondary level schools.
A Bachelor's degree in Education.
A Bachelor's degree in English, English Education, English Literature, or Linguistics.
A TESOL/TEFL or an English Teaching Certificate comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours.
A Master's degree.
A Bachelor's degree with at least ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.


Level 2+ : 2.2 million won per month

Must have one of the following qualifications:

In addition to one of the requirements for Level 2, ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions including at the SMOE.
A teacher certification with specialization in English Education.
A Master's degree in Education.


Level 1 : 2.3 million won per month

Must have one of the following qualifications:

Meet the Level 2 qualification with at least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
Employed as Level 2+ at the SMOE for ONE (1) full year.
A Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English Education.


Level 1+ : 2.4 million won per month

Employed as Level 1 at the SMOE for ONE (1) full year.

At least ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
A Bachelor's degree in English education with at least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
A teacher certification with specialization in English education with at least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.


Level B : 2.5 million won per month

At least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
A teacher certification with specialization in English education with at least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
Employed as Level 1+ at the SMOE for TWO (2) full years.


Level B+ : 2.6 million won per month

At least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
At least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience as a present public or private school teacher with a recommendation by the superintendent or the school principal.
Employed as Level 1+ at the SMOE for THREE (3) full years.


Level A : 2.7 million won per month

At least FOUR (4) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
At least FOUR (4) full years of English teaching experience as a present public or private school teacher with a recommendation by the superintendent or the school principal.


Of course - it really depends on WHERE you want to teach and WHO you want to teach (kindy, elementary, middle/high, university, business/company, government, etc etc) -
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter what, most schools pay around the 2.0-2.1 range. How sad, but true. I was offered 2.6 recently, but it was in a place 5 hours outside of Seoul and the hours were terrible...M, W, F 9AM-7:30PM, and T, TH 9AM-8:30PM.....I'd be dead in a month!

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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.2 or 2.3 for sure!

I just finished a massive job hunt last month and was surprised at how many jobs were available in that range. The wages are higher this year as recruiters and employers try to fill positions.

But... believe me. money ain't everything. It's better to take a little less if you come across a reliable employer who will pay the year-end bonus, not to mention entire pay cheque on time Yet there's no reason not to hunt through higher salary positions only, just make sure you talk on the phone with at least two other foreign teachers from the place if its a hagwon, to ensure you don't become one of the horror stories. Post the employer details here too and look for blacklists, as some have a bad reputation.

Good luck whatever.
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jmbran11



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: look for a great job, not great money Reply with quote

I have a law degree, as well as a Masters, and I make 2.6 - 3 million, depending on overtime. I work for a large company, and I should have negotiated more (because of the hours I work), but I actually enjoy my job and am treated with respect.

Don't obsess about pay. If you really want to work here, find a great environment (e.g. a job you don't hate that suits your abilities, a great apartment, decent colleagues). You can make virtually unlimited additional sums of cash teaching on the side, if you are so inclined. You may want to consider seeking a work schedule that would allow for that.

The differences between a couple hundred thousand won a month are extremely minor. The differences between quality of life can be enormous. If you come here and do a good job, you become very valuable to your institution. Until then, your education and future plans are practically irrelevant (unless it can earn money for your hogwan).
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