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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: "Loose Change" |
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Has anyone seen this video? It's one of those 9/11 conspiracy websites.
Some of it is pure flake but other things are odd/ valid questions.
The most surprising thing I saw was that 9 of the supposed suicide hijackers are STILL alive living outside of the US..... weird.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Old news. It was widely known months after the event that many of the folks were still alive. (Dead but Alive)
We know who we are supposed to think was on the planes, but we do not know who was on the planes. You can get copies of the passenger lists without much digging.
Did you watch "Loose Change" 1 or 2? I'm not ver fond of their "pod" portrayal and they've earned a lot of criticism for that.
Steven Jones, the BYU prof, has become an outspoken critic and has at least one video floating around the web. You can find a Feb 2006 lecture here (torrent).
Wiki has a fairly comprehensive and mostly impartial write-up.
Hijacking Catastrophe (torrent) or "The Venice Flying Circus" would probably be my favorites to date.
"none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible" (Ch. 9, p. 302) (9-11 White Wash Report)
Namaste. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody started a thread on this in the off topic forum in the Fall... I thought you participated in that thread, Khyber. 
And it's utter BS you can look up the rebuttals easily enough in Google.
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| The most surprising thing I saw was that 9 of the supposed suicide hijackers are STILL alive living outside of the US..... weird. |
Ever heard of identity theft? |
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hermes.trismegistus
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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And it's utter BS you can look up the rebuttals easily enough in Google.
Ever heard of identity theft? |
Aye, that works both ways mate.
We only know who we have been told to think was on the planes. Nothing more. And with the level of obfuscation and blatant lies, it seems irresponsible to accept ANY of the information without substantiation.
Some of "Loose Change" does have factual problems. I wasn't fond of the gravity they placed on the "pods".
However, many of the rebuttals have centered upon computer simulations that were tweaked for several times to get them to respond in the desired way. Some have also stated that "Loose Change"'s criticism that jet fuel can't collapse steel girders has no validity due to the flash point of that fuel. However, we didn't have melted girders, we had incinerated girders with standing molten pools months after the event. Given that jet fuel has a short life-span in the open, it seems absolutely implausible that it could cause the effects. Thermite, however, could.
As they mention in "Hijacking Catastrophe", all you have to do is illustrate one obvious lie in the official story to call the entire thing into question. We have dozens of obvious lies to choose from.
Namaste. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories or theorists, but I actually found myself watching, well, quite intently. I think some of the points made, especially about the collapse of the WTC, were more than compelling.
One point that's not addressed is ... what happened, then, to all the passengers aboard the planes? Where are they? Witness Relocation? Moved to Canada? |
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hermes.trismegistus
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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They were drastically under-filled - around 26% of capacity, if memory serves. And even then, it really wouldn't be that difficult to censor the information in such a way that the truth was obscured. The CIA, FBI, NSA and a host of other agencies have admitted to congress that they still conduct PSYOPS on the US public. They just won't say what.
With so many competing views, like in liturgical Christianity, the only reasonable position seems to be uncertainty, but negative probability of the orthodox paradigm.
If you liked "Loose Change" you really ought to try "Hijacking Catastrophe" (linked above) and some of the others. You won't find answers. Only more questions. Which seems incredibly more responsible.
Namaste. |
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