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How much are you owed?
Never, I would walk!
15%
 15%  [ 5 ]
Never, my boss is on the up and up.
56%
 56%  [ 18 ]
1 Million give or take.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Over 1 Mil but less than 2.5 Mil.
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Between 2.5 Mil and 4.0 Mil.
12%
 12%  [ 4 ]
4.0 to 6.0 Mil. . .Why am I here still?
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
6.0 to 10.0 Mil. . . I feel almost Korean!
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
10.0 + Mil, Yes I have no spine~
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
This is why I don't have a boss. . .Freelance!
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
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Texas T-Bone



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Location: SK

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Pay: How much are you owed? Reply with quote

Since we all know how much bashing gets done when people admit they are being screwed, thought I would post a poll to see what kind of truths are out there when it comes to being paid late. It is no secret that people are paid late whether they admit it or not. Also, sadly many Koreans are paid late, some are behind as much as 1 year (sorry, I don't have a source other than Korean friends). National habit? Who knows, but it is bs all the same. Don't post how much if you are concerned about the haters being as*hats, but at least respond to the poll honestly.

For myself, I was behind (still am) over 5 million. Turned in my resignation when it hit 3 million last month, and my last day will be Friday. Fortunately, I am moving on to at least a place that pays on time. My co-workers, not so lucky, given that 3 other foreigners are behind 1 to 9 mil, and of the 4 Korean teachers I know about between 3 and 10 mil. I don't care how nice my boss is, money is money. I don't work to be friends, I work to get paid.

B~
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the option for " My soul"?
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
Where is the option for " My soul"?


I so very much agree with this comment. Korea owes me a soul...to replace the one that was destroyed bit by bit.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 million? Christ! That's kneecap-breaking time.

I'm not owed, but if I were naive enough...

Cause that's the way it is in shiny old Korea.

Let me guess. You have plenty of students, but your boss doesn't see the need to pay you. Not the most important thing on his list. So you're just letting him butt screw you and you're afraid of him.

ianinilsan didn't do things the right way and neither are you. You gotta get that money. Right there, right then.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not once in my 5 years at the same Hagwon have I ever been paid late. There was one time when they paid me double by mistake. Very Happy I gave it back.
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Texas T-Bone



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Location: SK

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Let me guess. You have plenty of students, but your boss doesn't see the need to pay you. Not the most important thing on his list. So you're just letting him butt screw you and you're afraid of him.
ianinilsan didn't do things the right way and neither are you. You gotta get that money. Right there, right then.


Let me guess, you saw 5 million and assumed fear? How you draw some of the conclusions you make sometimes is beyond me. So Master, what should I have done?

First time he gets behind in almost two years and I resign once it hits one month. Making threats wouldn't have made a difference, I did what I needed to do: resigned with 30 days notice, contacted Labor (as if it helped), and moved on. I will eventually get paid, this guy has been like this going on ten years with most teachers. I accepted a new job for my own financial security, seeing how this is what I was taught regardless of how bad it gets.

I agree that "you have to get that money. Right there, right then. " if you can tell me exactly how you go about it. I don't agree with burning bridges if it can be avoided. Since I tutor and am not on an E-2 visa, I do what I can to be professional since I live in this city as more than just someone working a job.

Let me guess, you think I should have walked the first day the pay was late? For some, I am sure that works. . .for others, no matter how brave they may act on a webboard, it just isn't realistic.

Post away, I am sure you truly believe in your idealism (and so do I on some points). . .but at least try and be somewhat rational before making your assumptions.

Peace,

B~
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You stand there and demand it. He has it. Didn't say anything about walking. You have to create a commotion and use all the weapons that you have.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas T-Bone wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Let me guess. You have plenty of students, but your boss doesn't see the need to pay you. Not the most important thing on his list. So you're just letting him butt screw you and you're afraid of him.
ianinilsan didn't do things the right way and neither are you. You gotta get that money. Right there, right then.


Let me guess, you saw 5 million and assumed fear? How you draw some of the conclusions you make sometimes is beyond me. So Master, what should I have done?

First time he gets behind in almost two years and I resign once it hits one month. Making threats wouldn't have made a difference, I did what I needed to do: resigned with 30 days notice, contacted Labor (as if it helped), and moved on. I will eventually get paid, this guy has been like this going on ten years with most teachers. I accepted a new job for my own financial security, seeing how this is what I was taught regardless of how bad it gets.

I agree that "you have to get that money. Right there, right then. " if you can tell me exactly how you go about it. I don't agree with burning bridges if it can be avoided. Since I tutor and am not on an E-2 visa, I do what I can to be professional since I live in this city as more than just someone working a job.

Let me guess, you think I should have walked the first day the pay was late? For some, I am sure that works. . .for others, no matter how brave they may act on a webboard, it just isn't realistic.

Post away, I am sure you truly believe in your idealism (and so do I on some points). . .but at least try and be somewhat rational before making your assumptions.

Peace,

B~


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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think it's a lot like those NIgerian scams where people send off their life savings.

You just keep working hoping that your employer pays up.

Same as you would hope that Prince Aka Naja Rakeem III will send you your 1 million dollars but he keeps needing another 100 here and there to bribe people etc.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No pay, no work. If they didn't pay me I'd sit in the teacher room couch and refuse to teach until I got paid. Paying people late is completely unacceptable.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trafficking of English Teachers?
Quote:
Speak to most native-speakers teaching English here and they will have a multitude of firsthand experiences or have knowledge of coercion, intimidation, non- or under-payment of wages, withholding of passports and/or university testimonials, fraudulent deduction of money for non-existent health insurance, turning off heat and water supplies to apartments should teachers threaten action with the authorities, and many, many more such incidences.

Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2840165
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just another day



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Trafficking of English Teachers?
Quote:
Speak to most native-speakers teaching English here and they will have a multitude of firsthand experiences or have knowledge of coercion, intimidation, non- or under-payment of wages, withholding of passports and/or university testimonials, fraudulent deduction of money for non-existent health insurance, turning off heat and water supplies to apartments should teachers threaten action with the authorities, and many, many more such incidences.

Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2840165


woah.

lolz

well, i imagine, the articles u post up are all done by the korea times or chosun ilbo. seriously, i get jealous when i realize how little attention bias against asians are printed in american major newspapers. even tho asians are 5% of america, and english teachers are .0001% of korea.

btw, please carry on. i am sure not being paid right, is soemthing pretty horrible. even korean teachers in korea complain about this as well.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another day wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Trafficking of English Teachers?
Quote:
Speak to most native-speakers teaching English here and they will have a multitude of firsthand experiences or have knowledge of coercion, intimidation, non- or under-payment of wages, withholding of passports and/or university testimonials, fraudulent deduction of money for non-existent health insurance, turning off heat and water supplies to apartments should teachers threaten action with the authorities, and many, many more such incidences.

Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2840165


woah.
lolz
well, i imagine, the articles u post up are all done by the korea times or chosun ilbo. seriously, i get jealous when i realize how little attention bias against asians are printed in american major newspapers. even tho asians are 5% of america, and english teachers are .0001% of korea.

Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han
Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3033479

Chinese students face local woes
by Im Jang-hyuk and Jeong Kang-hyun
JoongAng Daily (November 9, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2490615
Quote:
"We are not illegal immigrants. We came to learn Korean to get better and more successful jobs," said Pao Yang, the deputy head of an association of Chinese students in Korea and a postgraduate from Yanbian University. "But every time we visit the Immigration Bureau to renew our visas, we are treated like criminals."
Chinese students have to renew their visas every six months, while students of other nationalities don't, he said.


Amnesty slams treatment of foreign workers
by Ser Myo-ja, JoongAng Daily (August 17, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2800450
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texas,

No. I don't think you did the wrong thing. I can't quite remember, but from what you wrote you're on some sort of F visa. I'm guessing you waited it out for a month and then thought, "Well whatever, buddy. See you in the funny papers" and reported everything to labor and whatnot.

I don't know your situation. Every one situation is different.

Was the guy being all evasive that month. I think they're like that. Sort of hard to get a hold of, etc. And at the same time acting all omnipotent in a reverse psychology kind of way.

How many students are/were you teaching? Quite a few?

To me it sounds like it's just some automatic thing that he does to teachers at certain points of their contracts (from what you said).

Sorry about the way I come off, but this type of thing angers me.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another day wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Trafficking of English Teachers?
Quote:
Speak to most native-speakers teaching English here and they will have a multitude of firsthand experiences or have knowledge of coercion, intimidation, non- or under-payment of wages, withholding of passports and/or university testimonials, fraudulent deduction of money for non-existent health insurance, turning off heat and water supplies to apartments should teachers threaten action with the authorities, and many, many more such incidences.

Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2840165


woah.

lolz

well, i imagine, the articles u post up are all done by the korea times or chosun ilbo. seriously, i get jealous when i realize how little attention bias against asians are printed in american major newspapers. even tho asians are 5% of america, and english teachers are .0001% of korea.

btw, please carry on. i am sure not being paid right, is soemthing pretty horrible. even korean teachers in korea complain about this as well.


What's that got to do with price of eggs?
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