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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: USS Liberty: lies, lies and more lies. |
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So, you think the US government doesn't sacrifice Americans for a political end?
Think again.
USS Liberty NOT an accident. Johnson prevents rescue.
Now think about 9/11 a little more deeply. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Shut up sshut up shut up. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think its more likely the Israelis misidentified the ship and the Americans wanted to end Sinai War rather than attack Israel without any allies. After all, France and Britain were backing Israel.
Everyone forgets that during this action, the US and Israel were anything but friends. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Shut up sshut up shut up. |
I'm assuming that was tongue-in-cheek?
Personally, I've been a tiny bit on the fence on this issue, but this article seals the deal for me. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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In many cases, Kuros, not even "allies" are truly "friends"; just those who, for the time being at least, share at least some vital interests on one or another issue.
"Friends" in world affairs are rare. America's are probably limited to the Western-European democracies. I would hesitate to ever put Tel Aviv in that category. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
I think its more likely the Israelis misidentified the ship and the Americans wanted to end Sinai War rather than attack Israel without any allies. After all, France and Britain were backing Israel.
Everyone forgets that during this action, the US and Israel were anything but friends. |
Did you read the article? It is seven pages. The limited nature of your response indicates a lack of familiarity with the points raised. I.e., there is nothing in the article to support your assertion.
It seems you are placing your geopolitical analysis above, um, what actually happened according to those many people who, um, lived through it. This strikes me as strange. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Whoah!
Thought crime! thought crime!
No truth to be found here folks, move along now 
Dare to criticize Israel for it's dubious policies & deadly campaigns?
Just wait til Joo slithers through here ...  |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| In Bill Maher's "New Rules", think from sept.14, he dismisses 9/11 conspiracy theorists out of hand, as naive and ridiculous. I think anyone who dismisses what the current administration, as well as the CIA, NSA, or shadow agencies are capable of is naive. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Was your mother also a Nazi? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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From the article.
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One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.
"It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there." |
On Friday January 3, 2003, at 11:48:01, Ron Gotcher posted an e-mail to Mr. R [redacted] which stated in part:
After my discharge, I worked for the agency [NSA] at Fort Meade. I saw the internal report on the attack, as did most agency employees. The report conclusively established that the attack was deliberate.
In response to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request 50412, the NSA responded:
Our records reflect that Mr. James Ronald Gotcher, III has never been affiliated with this agency. (Emphasis added.)
The full texts of the Gotcher e-mail dated January 3, 2003, FOIA request 50412, the NSA release in response to FOIA request 50412, and the report to the NSA Director, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) 23 May - 8 June 1967 are reproduced below.
Gotcher E-mail dated January 3, 2003
http://www.libertyincident.com/gotcherdebunked.html
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Ron Gotcher is only a bit player in a much broader propaganda effort.
The propaganda emanates from a small but well-funded and very vocal group of people and organizations principally supported by Saudi Arabian money. The groups include the American Educational Trust (AET) operated in Washington, DC by former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Andrew I. Kilgore, and a circle of others whose agenda is to attack the present excellent symbiotic relationship between the United States and Israel. It includes: the Americans for Mideast Understanding (AMEU) which was reportedly founded with money from Arabian American Oil Company, ARAMCO, and has former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins, who was dismissed by the U.S. State Department in 1975 "for being too compliant to Saudi demands" and former congressman Paul Findley serving on its National Council; and the Liberty Alliance operated by Tito De Nagy Howard, who is described as "a man at war with the Israelis" by Anthony Pearson. Howard met Pearson in Dubai and upon learning that Pearson was considered by the PLO to be pro-Palestinian, gave him "an idea to resurrect the Liberty incident as a whole n |
http://hnn.us/articles/39936.html |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Re: USS Liberty: lies, lies and more lies. |
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How did the US government sacrifice these lives? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: Re: USS Liberty: lies, lies and more lies. |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| How did the US government sacrifice these lives? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
I think its more likely the Israelis misidentified the ship and the Americans wanted to end Sinai War rather than attack Israel without any allies. After all, France and Britain were backing Israel.
Everyone forgets that during this action, the US and Israel were anything but friends. |
Did you read the article? It is seven pages. The limited nature of your response indicates a lack of familiarity with the points raised. I.e., there is nothing in the article to support your assertion.
It seems you are placing your geopolitical analysis above, um, what actually happened according to those many people who, um, lived through it. This strikes me as strange. |
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John Mearsheimer: Just to be clear here, before 1967, certainly before 1973, Israel received very little aid from the United States. Nevertheless, it won the war in '48, it won the war in '56, and it won the war in '67. Even in 1973, which is a war that took place before massive aid began to flow into Israel, they got caught in a surprise attack, you know, in October of that year. And despite suffering some initial setbacks, they won a stunning victory, and in fact the United States and the Soviet Union had to come in and in effect tell the Israelis to cease their military operations for fear they would completely finish off both the Syrian and Egyptian armies.... |
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-mearsheimer19sep19,0,4859160.story?page=2&coll=la-promo-opinion |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: Re: USS Liberty: lies, lies and more lies. |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| How did the US government sacrifice these lives? |
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Thanks for saving me the trouble. Guess black and white don't work for him. Color blind? Who knows...? Damned foolish. |
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