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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Hines Ward: half-Korean, half-black American football hero |
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April 12, 2006 - JoongAng Daily
Hines Ward, 30, the half-Korean, half-black American football hero, leaves Korea today after a triumphal 10-day visit to the country of his birth, his first since he left here with his parents as an infant.
Observers marveled at his ability to capture in 10 days the imagination of the Korean people and stimulate changes in the attitudes of the government, civic groups and legislators toward mixed-race Koreans that have been entrenched for decades.
More here:
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200604/11/200604112226158039900090409041.html |
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chicagorick
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: 1060 W. Addison
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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He's been featured in the media back here in the States, too, pictured with his Korean mom and tossing a football around with the South Korean president.
In The News |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Nice link! Off that, I found this..
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200604/kt2006041122494411990.htm
some highlights..
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``You get a better understanding of why your mother did certain things in America," he said, reflecting on his tour to a Korean folk village south of Seoul.
``Now I kind of relate to why my mom sleeps on the floor with a heated mat on her bed. I never had a good understanding (previously).���� |
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| The national buzz over his arrival here led the government to scurry to take action to help reduce social discrimination in the country against biracial people. Lawmakers are now mulling a law to better protect their rights, and school textbooks are to be revised to acknowledge the multicultural aspects of the country. |
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| The number of biracial people has grown as over one-in-ten marriages in the country now involve a foreign spouse �� mostly between Korean men, usually farmers living in rural areas, and women from poorer Asian countries. Tens of thousands of U.S. troops also remain stationed in the country. |
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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to burst your bubble, but foreign rights in the land of ��lip service�� are still a distant dream. Posting these articles just perpetuates the lie that is Koreans desire for forward thinking.
The mixed marriages they speak are precipitated by the inability of these poor farmers to find a Korean wife. These women are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husbands.
The majority of older Koreans are still quietly referring to Hines Wards mom as the race mixing trash.
I would love to see the Koreans prove me wrong. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JAWINSEOUL wrote: |
I hate to burst your bubble, but foreign rights in the land of ��lip service�� are still a distant dream. Posting these articles just perpetuates the lie that is Koreans desire for forward thinking.
The mixed marriages they speak are precipitated by the inability of these poor farmers to find a Korean wife. These women are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husbands.
The majority of older Koreans are still quietly referring to Hines Wards mom as the race mixing trash.
I would love to see the Koreans prove me wrong. |
I have to agree with you. And I would also like to be proven wrong.
And what the hell does the last sentence in this paragraph have to do with anything?
The number of biracial people has grown as over one-in-ten marriages in the country now involve a foreign spouse �� mostly between Korean men, usually farmers living in rural areas, and women from poorer Asian countries. Tens of thousands of U.S. troops also remain stationed in the country.
A little elaboration please.
"Today we expect sunny skies and a high of 28 degrees celsius. Those of you near the beach should break out your spf 20 because we expect lots of sunshine over the next few days. That's the weather and oh yeah...thousands of US troops still remain in our country" |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| JAWINSEOUL wrote: |
I hate to burst your bubble, but foreign rights in the land of ��lip service�� are still a distant dream. Posting these articles just perpetuates the lie that is Koreans desire for forward thinking.
The mixed marriages they speak are precipitated by the inability of these poor farmers to find a Korean wife. These women are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husbands.
The majority of older Koreans are still quietly referring to Hines Wards mom as the race mixing trash.
I would love to see the Koreans prove me wrong. |
I hate to burst your bubble, but go back to North America, make sure the government if equally represented by all nationalities, women make the same as men and are promoted based on achievement, and basically right the wrongs we still have. Then come over here and try to change it or complain about it.
How many women (in any marriage, let alone mixed ones) back home are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husband?. How many older North Americans are quietly referring to Pakis as the new lazy trash of Toronto (I chose that cause I have heard it enough to make it a good example)?
I would love to see you prove me wrong.
All that being said, Korea might still be 20-40 years behind the west when it comes to civil rights, but it's not going to take them that long to catch up. They are doing a pretty good job and much quicker (and less violent) than it did back home. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| JAWINSEOUL wrote: |
I hate to burst your bubble, but foreign rights in the land of ��lip service�� are still a distant dream. Posting these articles just perpetuates the lie that is Koreans desire for forward thinking.
The mixed marriages they speak are precipitated by the inability of these poor farmers to find a Korean wife. These women are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husbands.
The majority of older Koreans are still quietly referring to Hines Wards mom as the race mixing trash.
I would love to see the Koreans prove me wrong. |
I hate to burst your bubble, but go back to North America, make sure the government if equally represented by all nationalities, women make the same as men and are promoted based on achievement, and basically right the wrongs we still have. Then come over here and try to change it or complain about it.
How many women (in any marriage, let alone mixed ones) back home are threatened, beaten and controlled by their husband?. How many older North Americans are quietly referring to Pakis as the new lazy trash of Toronto (I chose that cause I have heard it enough to make it a good example)?
I would love to see you prove me wrong.
All that being said, Korea might still be 20-40 years behind the west when it comes to civil rights, but it's not going to take them that long to catch up. They are doing a pretty good job and much quicker (and less violent) than it did back home. |
well put laogaiguk |
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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Funny you should mention Toronto, my home and native land. Our positions aren��t mutually exclusive; in fact mine is based on my experience in Toronto. I agree with statement referring to the Koreans ability to change faster than the west. Women have accomplished more in Korean in the last five years than western women did in the first 10 years of their push for equality.
But why would Korea want to recognize the rights of not only the smallest portion of the population, but some of the poorest. Until I see people rushing to sit beside a black person the subway, use black people in advertising and stop using the term ��White only�� in job posts then they remain all talk.
Yes Canada, the U.S. and other nations are no better but lip service is still lip service. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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In the last few posts, people have been talking about how Korea has been able to change faster than North America, or the west was able to. While that makes sense, I think there is a big problem in that line of thinking.
When that was happening in North America, it was all knew. The gaining of rights for women and minorities was something that really hadn't been happening elsewhere in the world. I am going to make a bit of an anology here.
It always takes a lot longer to invent something, than it does for someone else to copy and try to improve upon it.
While inventing is probably not the right word here, I think it is similar. North America was bringing about something that was new and they didn't know how it was going to work out or what would happen. In Korea, they have a model to copy and change and to work on in their own ways. I am not trying to take anything away from Korea, but to say that Korea was able to do something in less time than North American, or western, countries were able to is a bit misleading. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hines Ward: half-Korean, half-black American football he |
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| That would be funny if he got a lot of Korean chicks pregnant while he was here. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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It always takes a lot longer to invent something, than it does for someone else to copy and try to improve upon it.
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That's a good point. Both Korea and China like to 'brag' that they industrialized faster than western countries. I always wince when I hear it. It is true, but like the quote above says, they just copied a final product.
The real point here I think is that once Korean society reaches a consensus on something, like industrialization, or in this case, the civil rights of mixed race minorities, they move just as rapidly.
If you have just arrived in Korea, you can easily make a mistake by assuming that what you see today is the way it always was and always will be. Those of us who have been here longer are often amazed at the speed of change. It is truly dramatic. |
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John Henry
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't believe there aren't anti-discrimination laws on the books. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| It's easier to walk the trail once it has been blazed. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
In the last few posts, people have been talking about how Korea has been able to change faster than North America, or the west was able to. While that makes sense, I think there is a big problem in that line of thinking.
When that was happening in North America, it was all knew. The gaining of rights for women and minorities was something that really hadn't been happening elsewhere in the world. I am going to make a bit of an anology here.
It always takes a lot longer to invent something, than it does for someone else to copy and try to improve upon it.
While inventing is probably not the right word here, I think it is similar. North America was bringing about something that was new and they didn't know how it was going to work out or what would happen. In Korea, they have a model to copy and change and to work on in their own ways. I am not trying to take anything away from Korea, but to say that Korea was able to do something in less time than North American, or western, countries were able to is a bit misleading. |
I disagree with this (though I agree with Ya-ta Boy's thoughts on material production not actually being faster). They aren't copying something, as their culture and North American culture were vastly different. Building civil rights here is in a totally different medium and can't be said to have been copied. They couldn't take what we learned and shape their culture around it. I'm not explaining this well, am I  |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not explaining this well, am I |
Not really.
I don't think you are seeing the big picture here. When it was happening in North America, it was truly a new concept to have people equal and to give rights to all people. There weren't other countries living like that saying "you should do this because we have done it" You are right, they aren't directly copying it, but they are able to see that it exists (or at least attempting to exist). It's the knowledge of knowing that it CAN be done and that other countries have done it, and that they SHOULD probably do it to.
Korea isn't some country coming onto something new thinking "well, maybe this could be a good idea, but we just don't really know as it has never happened anywhere else." They see it more like this, "It is happening all across western society (or they are trying to), and it seems to be working for them, and it seems like the right thing to do, especially with the bajillions of Koreans living there." |
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