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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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How's that? Discredit a million speculative theories while ignoring the few telling ones and then knock holes in your own back congratulating yourself?
1. The put options on those airlines: "the 911 commission looked into it and said there is nothing going on" Ha! How do we know there's no coverup? Why the govt itself told us!
2. No buliding on fire falls at freefall speed straight down into its own footprint. All the support at the base would have to be taken out simultaneous. I don't care what "experts" are trotted out to come up with ridiculously implausibe explanations (eg Popular Mechanics - if you look at the changes the organisation underwent prior to the article - its just another govt mouthpiece). I can see with my own freakin eyes the physics involved. Steel may soften at the temperatures in a jet fuel fire, but if they soften, they bend, not evaporate. How about the pools of molten metal in the wreckage weeks later? WTC7 - come on!
3. Cui bono? Who benefits? Nuff said.
Here's an alternative paradigm to look at the whole incident. (David Icke calls it problem - reaction - solution)
You want to, say, pass a bill massively centralising power, reducing peoples basic rights and paving the way to a police state. (why? It's good business. By the laws of capitalism, if theres a way to make your big pile of money bigger - you take it).
Who in their right mind would agree to such a bill? No one. So you create conditions where things get so bad, the pulic will DEMAND that you take those steps you meant to take all along. So by a crime of omission or comission, Pearl Harbour 2 happens, and bang - you can smash that bill through without anyone even READING it! We're at WAR! You get carte blanche to do whatever, money gets tossed around like no one's business, and if the pulic looks like they're going to snap out of it - TERROR ALERT!!! (False alarm)
Since we have no way of knowing what really goes on, the more different points of view we can adopt, the more of the picture we see. This is just another one. Is that the way it really happened I don't know. But it fits the events just as well as the conventional view. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| How's that? Discredit a million speculative theories while ignoring the few telling ones and then knock holes in your own back congratulating yourself? |
just wait and see.
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| 1. The put options on those airlines: "the 911 commission looked into it and said there is nothing going on" Ha! How do we know there's no coverup? Why the govt itself told us! |
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9/11 Stock Options Update
The FBI has closed its investigation into the "put" options that sold UAL and AMR short just before the attacks, saying there is no evidence of foreknowledge in the trading:
On Sept. 10, 2001, put options on AMR were 17 times their average volume of 269 contracts. On Sept. 6, 2001, UAL put options were traded at more than four times their average volume of 711 contracts.
At the same time, some experts cautioned that because of the light volume in most option contracts, an increase can seem eye-popping.
London regulators thought they had something in the short-selling of big airline stocks before Sept. 11, but traced the activity to one of their small competitors.
Hmm. Finally, someone adds some context to the "17 times their average volume" claim. I doubt this will satisfy the moonbats, though. |
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/
Gottcha
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| 2. No buliding on fire falls at freefall speed straight down into its own footprint. All the support at the base would have to be taken out simultaneous. I don't care what "experts" are trotted out to come up with ridiculously implausibe explanations (eg Popular Mechanics - if you look at the changes the organisation underwent prior to the article - its just another govt mouthpiece). I can see with my own freakin eyes the physics involved. Steel may soften at the temperatures in a jet fuel fire, but if they soften, they bend, not evaporate. How about the pools of molten metal in the wreckage weeks later? WTC7 - come on! |
how do you know this ?
I will take their word over yours.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html
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3. Cui bono? Who benefits? Nuff said. |
the 9-11 conspriacy theorists who want to weaken or destroy the US government.
Al Qaeda. You have a tape just recently of Bin Laden taking credit for the event.
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| Here's an alternative paradigm to look at the whole incident. (David Icke calls it problem - reaction - solution) |
who the fk is he? I will look it up
Oh this is who he is
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David Vaughan Icke, pronounced /aɪk/ (born April 29, 1952) is a former professional football player, reporter, television sports presenter, and British Green Party national spokesperson. Since 1990, he has been what he calls a "full-time investigator into who and what is really controlling the world." [1]
The Green Party distanced itself from him in 1991 after he announced that he was "the son of God," [2] (video) and a "channel for the Christ spirit." [3] He began to dress only in turquoise and maintained that the world was ruled by a secret group called "The Elite", or "Illuminati", which he linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic tract. [4] [5] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the secret world government consists of a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are, in fact, reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, and Kris Kristofferson. [4]
Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, namely the Rothschild family, also a "reptilian bloodline," financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. [6] As a result, Icke's speaking tours at one time attracted the interest of British neo-Nazis such as Combat 18, [5] and he continues to face opposition from Jewish and anti-racist groups such as the Anti-Defamation League in Canada. Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews. [2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
Wow you got quite a source there. Yes he sure is credible 
Icke argues that he has developed a moral and political worldview combining a passionate denunciation of what he sees as totalitarian trends in the modern world with a New Age spiritualism. According to Political Research Associates, an American research group that tracks right-wing groups, Icke's ideas are popular in Canada, where the New Age aspect of his philosophy overshadows his more controversial beliefs. [7] He received a standing ovation after a five-hour speech to students at the University of Toronto in 1999, although his books were taken off the shelves of Indigo Books across Ontario after protests. [8] He is the author of 20 books explaining his views. |
See above. I think you just took yourself down with this.
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| The Green Party distanced itself from him in 1991 after he announced that he was "the son of God," [2] (video) and a "channel for the Christ spirit." [3] He began to dress only in turquoise and maintained that the world was ruled by a secret group called "The Elite", or "Illuminati", which he linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic tract. [4] [5] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the secret world government consists of a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are, in fact, reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, and Kris Kristofferson |
you are kind of finished arent' you?
You might not even make it as a moonbat 
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| You want to, say, pass a bill massively centralising power, reducing peoples basic rights and paving the way to a police state. (why? It's good business. By the laws of capitalism, if theres a way to make your big pile of money bigger - you take it). |
Bush has lots of stocks other than oil . Besides even with patriot act the US is one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world.
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| Who in their right mind would agree to such a bill? No one. So you create conditions where things get so bad, the pulic will DEMAND that you take those steps you meant to take all along. So by a crime of omission or comission, Pearl Harbour 2 happens, and bang - you can smash that bill through without anyone even READING it! We're at WAR! You get carte blanche to do whatever, money gets tossed around like no one's business, and if the pulic looks like they're going to snap out of it - TERROR ALERT!!! (False alarm) |
I have no problem with the Patriot act even with the Patriot act the US is one of the most free and tolerent nations in the world. Say it is not so. but if you do give us a list of nations that are so much more free.
The fact is that 9-11 sunk the US economy and the stock market there was no benefit for Bush or the US.
As I answer your conspracy stuff it will start to become the time to focus on the accuser.
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| Since we have no way of knowing what really goes on, the more different points of view we can adopt, the more of the picture we see. This is just another one. Is that the way it really happened I don't know. But it fits the events just as well as the conventional view. |
no reason in the world to trust the conspiracy theorists. about anything. Indeed they want the enemy to win cause they can never get their politcal agenda across until the US govt is weakened or destroyed so they seek to cause disorder. They are truly sinister people. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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Damn! Just spent 2 hours on the reply - and I lost it. Oh well, it was only the David Icke stuff I was commenting on.
The 9/11 stuff - yep, you got me. I can't fault those references. Plenty of hearsay and ill informed debate going around - I'm no exception.
As for David Icke - any charges or hints of anti semitism are baseless, and I'd be happy to point out why if you like. Yep, he's had his ups and downs (!), but his writing is interesting, funny, and his take on mans spiritual nature is f'ing fantastic!
see ya
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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his writing is interesting, funny, and his take on mans spiritual nature is f'ing fantastic!
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That may be true, but what we are really concerned with is how does he rate as a reliable source of info?
I will grant you that he is the world's foremost source of expertise on the Babylonian Brotherhood...
But that's because The Babylonian Brotherhood only exists in his mind.
Did you know that "Avis" is "Siva" spelled backwards?  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Damn! Just spent 2 hours on the reply - and I lost it. Oh well, it was only the David Icke stuff I was commenting on.
The 9/11 stuff - yep, you got me. I can't fault those references. Plenty of hearsay and ill informed debate going around - I'm no exception.
As for David Icke - any charges or hints of anti semitism are baseless, and I'd be happy to point out why if you like. Yep, he's had his ups and downs (!), but his writing is interesting, funny, and his take on mans spiritual nature is f'ing fantastic!
see ya
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Icke is a freak and a whacko - at best |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Damn, Joo, but I find myself agreeing with you. |
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