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genaureliano
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 Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: Caught as Illegal, then what? |
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| for the record I am not working illegally, but I have thought about it. What happens if you get caught? Fine, deportation? Are there severe controls? Thanks |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Caught as Illegal, then what? |
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| genaureliano wrote: |
| for the record I am not working illegally, but I have thought about it. What happens if you get caught? Fine, deportation? Are there severe controls? Thanks |
Don't know about the above but I'd bet a free haircut could be had!
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genaureliano
Joined: 04 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| And they can keep it! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Caught as Illegal, then what? |
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| genaureliano wrote: |
| for the record I am not working illegally, but I have thought about it. What happens if you get caught? Fine, deportation? Are there severe controls? Thanks |
There are a few scenarios, none of which are nice.
IF you are VERY LUCKY and the hakwan likes you (enough to catch the sh?t, take the cr?p, pay a bribe AND their fine, then YOU may get off with a LARGE fine and a black mark in your file. This was the experience of an acquaintance of mine.
If you are caught breaking some other immigration law you will PROBABLY (every case that I have heard of that didn't involve working for a hakwon while WAITING for the visa run-AND the documents were in progress) be taken to the immigration detention center.
There you will be held until a determination on your case is made by the officer in charge of the Immigration district.
At that point you will PROBABLY be fined and kept in detention until the fine is paid. After the fine is paid you will be given an exit order and required to leave the country forthwith.
You will PROBABLY be escorted to the airport. If you cannot arrange your own flight they will keep you in detention until you can.
You WILL be allowed to contact your respective embassy.
Did that answer your question? |
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capebretoncanadian
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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If you're on a tourist visa and you get nabbed....you'll get smacked with a 500,000 fine, an exit order and you can be back teaching illegally in no time flat. Don't ask me how I know  Not sure what happens the second time. You probably dont want to know. |
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Peter Jackson
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject: They can do what they want.. |
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From very little to severe punishment. In one case, a teacher was working on a tourist visa, just doing privates. When he got hauled in, he had to pay a 2 million won fine and he was a guest at the Immigration Detention for nearly a week. (They can hold you up to 15 days). He then received an exit order and was on the blacklist for a year. Not the worst case, not the best.
Just be careful and watch who you tell. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| You WILL be allowed to contact your respective embassy. |
Forgot to ad: and your Embassy will be powerless to help you as you will have broken a local law and they have zero juristiction.
To the OP:
Basically if you are caught working illegaly you get fined and deported. The severity of the fine will vary. You employer could help you if you have a very good relationship with them but think about the fact that if you get busted your employer has to pay a hefty fine.... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| You WILL be allowed to contact your respective embassy. |
Forgot to ad: and your Embassy will be powerless to help you as you will have broken a local law and they have zero juristiction.
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They can do lots of things to help you.
+They can give you a list of lawyers if you want one.
+They can help you get money from home to pay your fine and/or air ticket home.
+they can contact your family for you to get their moral and financial help.
+they can ensure that you are treated no worse than a Korean in a similar situation.
+they can get you a new travel document (passport) to get you home if yours disappears during your ordeal
Homer is VERY CORRECT in that the embassy CANNOT get you a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card.
If you do the crime... be prepared to do the time... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Good clarification there Tom!
I was talking about the no get out of jail free card thing.
They will also not send in Marines to rescue a teacher who broke the law nor raise the point at the UN...  |
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braunshade
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| But most people probably never get caught. Who would really be looking for illegal teachers anyways? Just use your gut instincts. |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| braunshade wrote: |
| But most people probably never get caught. Who would really be looking for illegal teachers anyways? Just use your gut instincts. |
Who would be looking???
Might be the immigration dudes that wander into hakwans to check the credentials of the foreign staff?
Bank deposits from an employer and no ARC on file...Perhaps the bank staff person who gets a reward for turning in illegal foreigners?
The immigration guy that checks the ID of foreigners travelling on the subway?
The hakwan down the street that would love to see your boss and his competition closed.
The security guard that sees you going in to do your personal?
You must have missed the roundup last fall.... or the one the spring before that.... or the one before that... or the link on the immigration website that lets people make reports and collect a reward if the foreigner they report really is an illegal.
Yup... VERY SAFE here to work illegally. You have (I'm guessing here) a 25% chance to get caught.
Just remember... if you do the crime... be prepared to do the time...
It's YOUR ASS on the line. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| But most people probably never get caught. Who would really be looking for illegal teachers anyways? Just use your gut instincts. |
Sorry but have you had your head in a sandbag for the past couple of years?
Yeah trust your gut... Then feel the boot on your butt as you get fined and deported!
It is true most don't get busted. It is also true more are getting busted than before. It does happen.
Its a choice and it is said here: you do the crime be prepared to do the time if you get busted. |
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Peter Jackson
Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: Amen about doing time |
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Yes, it is a crime, whatever your argument against it. It isn't your country and one must accept this. As one immigration guy put it, "it don't matter about evidence, only I think is enough."
If you want to do privates with no hassle I can recommend Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia...plenty of Koreans in all three places willing to pay the big bucks. Check out Japan, too, where you own your visa which is good for five years.
But, when in the Land of the Morning Smog (or is that Calm?) do privates as you wish. But do the crime; do the time.
Take care, |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
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NearlyKorean
Joined: 15 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
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| You WILL be allowed to contact your respective embassy. |
Forgot to ad: and your Embassy will be powerless to help you as you will have broken a local law and they have zero juristiction.
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They can do lots of things to help you.
+They can give you a list of lawyers if you want one.
+They can help you get money from home to pay your fine and/or air ticket home.
+they can contact your family for you to get their moral and financial help.
+they can ensure that you are treated no worse than a Korean in a similar situation.
+they can get you a new travel document (passport) to get you home if yours disappears during your ordeal
Homer is VERY CORRECT in that the embassy CANNOT get you a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card.
If you do the crime... be prepared to do the time... |
Well I hope I am never in that situation. However, if I were, my embassy would be the last place on earth I would contact. It took me 90 minutes how to find to get pages added to my passport. and that was with me going there in person. I think embassies are useless. |
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