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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: More multicult madness |
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England afraid to fly its own flag
Following threats by extremist Islamic group, several corporations, chain of pubs ban England flag
Modi Kreitman
Following warnings by extremist Islamic group al-Muhajiroun, in which the group said that the red cross in the England flag symbolizes the 'blood thirsty crusaders' and the occupation of Muslims, some of the largest companies in England have ordered their workers not to wave the flags. |
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3258613,00.html
Why is it always England that goes batsh$t crazy with her multiCult?
Or, maybe during the worse years of the Northern Ireland conflict (war?) they wouldn't display their flag too. I don't know. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| In your own country, that's just like lubing up, bending over, and spreading 'em... |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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While a few organisations have banned the flag for 'health and safety' reasons, most of them have been forced to back down in the face of massive public protest.
I can tell you that people are flying the flag everywhere - on cars, houses and outside many businesses, and these stories will just encourage more people to fly the flag. Many people are sick of Muslims demanding and whining that this country change to suit them. If they are so offended by the cross of St.George, they know where Heathrow is. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yet another example of Englands PC-gone-absolutely-bloody-crazy mentality.... I think stuff like this is absolutely ridiculous, but then lets not forget other recent similair episodes, eg trying to change the name of 'Christmas' to 'Winterfest' (apparently the word christmas offended a small minority of Muslims), and also letting granting asylum to Afghans who entered the country on a plane THEY hijacked! 
I know a lot of Muslim people in England, and 90% of them think it is ridiculous too! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| hiding the national flag over the threats of religious intolerants is not at all about multiculturalism |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally I think England does a pretty good job of being multi-cultural anyway, without having to resort to this kind of nonsense. Cities like London and Birmingham are very multi-cultural, and while I wouldn't go so far as to describe these places as utopia-like, I think that on a multi-cultural level they do pretty well, all things considered. For some reason, our current government is obsessed with being seen to be oh-so-multi-cultural and hip, they are making themselves look like fools. You know the type of (white, straight) guys who say "A lot of my friends are black" and "I know loads of gay people - some are even my friends"... |
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SPINOZA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well that link sure didn't work. It seemed to make one of those "send error report" things, so not sure what's up there.
However, I'm guessing the article in the link is either exaggerated or made up completely. We see this kind of thing often in England - usually by the Right Wing press trying to whip up some "bah, all this political correctness" feeling. And yet, every world Cup, every European Championships, the country is plastered with flags - on cars, houses, businesses, absolutely everywhere. The kind of things mentioned in the link - two things; Muslims wanting to ban the English flag and, second, the English flag actually being banned by English businesses in response to the threats - just don't exist.
Political correctness and racial/religious sensitivity in England is nothing like what it is in North America. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The kind of things mentioned in the link - two things; Muslims wanting to ban the English flag and, second, the English flag actually being banned by English businesses in response to the threats - just don't exist. |
On both counts, you're wrong.
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| hiding the national flag over the threats of religious intolerants is not at all about multiculturalism |
It is the natural end point of multiculturalism, since multiculturalism is againt the notion of a unifying identity. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The kind of things mentioned in the link - two things; Muslims wanting to ban the English flag and, second, the English flag actually being banned by English businesses in response to the threats - just don't exist. |
On both counts, you're wrong.
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It's got to be very tiny though surely?
I'm really not a great admirer of Islam and, sorry to say, many of its followers. Mind you, I have the exact same contempt for followers of the other two Abrahamic religions as well. Folks can believe in what they like, but as soon as you start killing each other over beliefs and little bits of crappy desert land, creating an environment where I too and other uninvolved, uninterested people are threatened, that's when SPIN gets rather angry and establishes his brutally repressive regime on the whole world, crushing religions, killing, destroying all manner of human pollution.
Maybe these things do exist. But the numbers of establishments banning the English flag in response to threats from nutty Muslims simply must be tiny in comparison to the amount of establishments and individual people who (a) don't know anything about it or (b) will have the flags out no matter what. No doubt there are a small amount of Muslims who say such unbelievable crap AND a minority of truly idiotic English folk who respond to it in that way. But the numbers are surely tiny - insignificant. The only things that matter are that English people - in their millions - get their flags out in support of a national football team principally and most Muslims living in England don't think those things. It's one of those issues that's pointless being discussed in my opinion. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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I don't know why people like Big Verne are jumping up and down over Islamic fanatics - ie falling hook, line etc for the kind spin you'd expect from the good folks at the British National Party (skinhead, rightwing facists). A spin being pushed by the right wing, populist rag 'The Sun'.
If it does happen at all isn't it more to do with the suits at head office worried about the profit margin and insurance premiums???
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some of the largest companies in England have ordered their workers not to wave the flags. |
And if some chain has banned people wearing the Georgie from entering their pubs - isn't it possible that it's because these are worn by the kind of patriot who wants to trash the bar, start fights and set fires everytime there's an international soccer match on?? Like say around World Cup time??
Keep jumping at shadows and conclusions. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
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The Sun said that a large pub network has banned drinkers from entering with symbols of the national team.
The hero of the day is a two year-old toddler, who was thrown out with his parents from Leicester, because he wore the England team's uniform |
The rule in Wetherspoons is no football shirts of any club or country. The reasoning is to avoid trouble, it's got nothing to do with Muslims (who don't often tend to visit pubs anyway).
It's a silly rule and to impose across the board to kids is a jobsworth attitude but Weatherspoons are rubbish anyway and kids should not be in Pubs.
To be honest it depends what branch you use the Weatherspoons in South Norwood never has a problem with drinkers wearing shirts (either club or country) but the one across from Victoria station I've seen people turned away for just wearing scarfs or even rugby shirts.
They're not even pubs really (no jukebox, pool table, darts board ect and half of them are non smoking) just beer supermarkets full of OAPs. Can't really see the appeal, it's a shame to see so many about, they're like the starbucks of pubs. The decline of the traditional London boozer is something I could write an essay on, it pisses me off.
I'm rambling now, so I'll stop. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| It is the natural end point of multiculturalism, since multiculturalism is againt the notion of a unifying identity |
The Americans are far more multicultural than us and far bigger flag wavers. It's possible to have both. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| It is the natural end point of multiculturalism, since multiculturalism is againt the notion of a unifying identity |
The Americans are far more multicultural than us and far bigger flag wavers. It's possible to have both. |
(But I can go forever without the flag waving.  ) |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| The Americans are far more multicultural than us and far bigger flag wavers. It's possible to have both. |
They may be more multiethnic, and indeed multiracial, but the doctrine of multiculturalism is not so entrenched in the politics of the nation as it is in Britain. In the USA, more emphasis seems to be placed on integrating into society, on pledging allegiance to the flag and becoming an American. In the UK, minorities are encouraged to hold onto their cultures and integration is often rejected as 'cultural imperialism' by the policy making elite. Americans are also far more attached to their flag, whereas the cross of St.George has often been overshadowed by the Union Flag. Now, English people are far more likely to associate themselves with the cross of St.George and are more likely to describe themselves as English, rather than British.
I have to say though that I have never seen so many flags around. I don't think it is entirely down to the World Cup. We live in a nation where displays of patriotism are viewed with scorn by so many in government and the media. I sense that many people are putting up their flags in reaction to years of PC and multicultural propaganda. For all the liberals distaste of the idea of nationhood, it is the one thing that brings together all the different people of England. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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So, then, the reply to this madness is to put ones hands over ones ears and yell loudly "IT ISN'T TRUE"?!
Multiculturalism can only ever end in the total surrender of the host culture. After all, if we are truly MultiCult, then who are we to ask/say/assert/demand anything of those who make our nations 'vibrant'? Aren't all cultures of the same worth? How can one culture tell another what to do? How can another culture "force" the "other" to look at a flag that offends them? |
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