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| Who Would You Vote for If the Election Were Today...? |
| Hillary Clinton |
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12% |
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| Al Gore |
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36% |
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| Rudolph Guiliani |
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8% |
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| Condi Rice |
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12% |
[ 3 ] |
| John McCain |
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32% |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: Who Would You Vote for If the Election Were Today...? |
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...and these were the candidates for President of the U.S.?
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure i'm not alone when i state the "differences" between the listed candidates is more imaiginary than real.
Which one is the Libertarian candidate? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain doesn't have a chance. He's reviled by many hardcore conservatives. He won't make it through the primaries. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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i know very few democrats who really dislike mccain.
Since he obviously has no hope of getting in on the repubs, why doesn't he saunter on over to the dems...or go as an independent. It seems to me like he's got fans all OVER washington.
am i wrong? |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, with that list, I can definitively say "None of the Above".  |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
i know very few democrats who really dislike mccain.
Since he obviously has no hope of getting in on the repubs, why doesn't he saunter on over to the dems...or go as an independent. It seems to me like he's got fans all OVER washington.
am i wrong? |
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How Liberal Is John McCain?
by Rachel Alexander
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article1004.html
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| However, McCain's voting record is not out of step with many other Republicans in the Senate. His lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is an 85, the same as Orrin Hatch's lifetime rating. Hatch is not exactly considered a moderate or liberal Republican. Although McCain's scores have dropped slightly in recent years, they are still fairly close to his lifetime rating. In 1999, he received a score of 77, and in 2000, he received an 81, one point above Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine and three points below Republican Gordon Smith from Oregon. Compared to James Jeffords, his scores are fairly high. James Jeffords received an overall lifetime rating of 27 from the American Conservative Union, well under conservative Democrat John Breaux's lifetime rating of 47. McCain's lifetime rating and recent lower ratings are well above the ratings of conservative Democrats. Democrat Robert Byrd of Virginia, a moderate Democrat, has a lifetime ACU rating of 31. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Where's Oprah  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
i know very few democrats who really dislike mccain.
Since he obviously has no hope of getting in on the repubs, why doesn't he saunter on over to the dems...or go as an independent. It seems to me like he's got fans all OVER washington.
am i wrong? |
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How Liberal Is John McCain?
by Rachel Alexander
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article1004.html
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| However, McCain's voting record is not out of step with many other Republicans in the Senate. His lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is an 85, the same as Orrin Hatch's lifetime rating. Hatch is not exactly considered a moderate or liberal Republican. Although McCain's scores have dropped slightly in recent years, they are still fairly close to his lifetime rating. In 1999, he received a score of 77, and in 2000, he received an 81, one point above Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine and three points below Republican Gordon Smith from Oregon. Compared to James Jeffords, his scores are fairly high. James Jeffords received an overall lifetime rating of 27 from the American Conservative Union, well under conservative Democrat John Breaux's lifetime rating of 47. McCain's lifetime rating and recent lower ratings are well above the ratings of conservative Democrats. Democrat Robert Byrd of Virginia, a moderate Democrat, has a lifetime ACU rating of 31. |
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A lot of the reasons Democrats like McCain is because he has seperated himself from the Bush junta on key issues of conscience, particularly with his McCain amendment against torture. He also has been harping against corruption in the government since his election bid in 2000, and after the Abramoff scandals his warnings seem prescient. The fact that he is conservative doesn't bother me as a moderate. He's ten times more palatable and trustworthy than Sen. Ted Kennedy.
From Desultude's article:
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| In the past year, he has voted against tax cuts, helped to kill a bill that would have put a stop to open-ended military commitments in Kosovo, and voted in favor of diverting $1 million in defense spending to federal education. He advocates universal healthcare insurance. He has flip-flopped several times on abortion, and is a strong advocate of federally funding research on aborted fetuses. He is not supportive of school vouchers. In 1998, he voted in favor affirmative action and a bill setting up quotas for women and minorities. In 1999, he voted to ban cheap handguns and require safety locks on guns. This spring McCain co-sponsored a bill with Senator Joe Lieberman to require background checks at gun shows. |
Why didn't you post this, Desultude? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| McCain interests me, but the one I want isn't on the list, Barack Obama. He sounds more interesting and more principled than a lot of others. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: ... |
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Gee Goph,
Only 5 candidates, 3 GOP vs 2 Dems.
You still describe yourself as a liberal moderate? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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Gee Goph,
Only 5 candidates, 3 GOP vs 2 Dems.
You still describe yourself as a liberal moderate? |
Well, I don't know much about American politics at the moment, not being on the continent and not being American, but I probably would have picked those five too if I had made this poll, and I am completely Liberal. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| desultude wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
i know very few democrats who really dislike mccain.
Since he obviously has no hope of getting in on the repubs, why doesn't he saunter on over to the dems...or go as an independent. It seems to me like he's got fans all OVER washington.
am i wrong? |
| Quote: |
How Liberal Is John McCain?
by Rachel Alexander
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article1004.html
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| However, McCain's voting record is not out of step with many other Republicans in the Senate. His lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is an 85, the same as Orrin Hatch's lifetime rating. Hatch is not exactly considered a moderate or liberal Republican. Although McCain's scores have dropped slightly in recent years, they are still fairly close to his lifetime rating. In 1999, he received a score of 77, and in 2000, he received an 81, one point above Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine and three points below Republican Gordon Smith from Oregon. Compared to James Jeffords, his scores are fairly high. James Jeffords received an overall lifetime rating of 27 from the American Conservative Union, well under conservative Democrat John Breaux's lifetime rating of 47. McCain's lifetime rating and recent lower ratings are well above the ratings of conservative Democrats. Democrat Robert Byrd of Virginia, a moderate Democrat, has a lifetime ACU rating of 31. |
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A lot of the reasons Democrats like McCain is because he has seperated himself from the Bush junta on key issues of conscience, particularly with his McCain amendment against torture. He also has been harping against corruption in the government since his election bid in 2000, and after the Abramoff scandals his warnings seem prescient. The fact that he is conservative doesn't bother me as a moderate. He's ten times more palatable and trustworthy than Sen. Ted Kennedy.
From Desultude's article:
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| In the past year, he has voted against tax cuts, helped to kill a bill that would have put a stop to open-ended military commitments in Kosovo, and voted in favor of diverting $1 million in defense spending to federal education. He advocates universal healthcare insurance. He has flip-flopped several times on abortion, and is a strong advocate of federally funding research on aborted fetuses. He is not supportive of school vouchers. In 1998, he voted in favor affirmative action and a bill setting up quotas for women and minorities. In 1999, he voted to ban cheap handguns and require safety locks on guns. This spring McCain co-sponsored a bill with Senator Joe Lieberman to require background checks at gun shows. |
Why didn't you post this, Desultude? |
I really had no agenda pro or con. But the website is called
"intellectualconservative.com, and they are pointing out the confusion as to whether he is liberal or conservative.
Actually, I was only making the point that the jury is out on McCain- as I said, none of the above would have my vote. McCain is probably no more or less a republicrat than Hillary. They are just all too much alike, and all too beholding.
Hillary has come out against flag burning . A bunch of pandering prostitutes, all of them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Rudolph Guiliani
Condi Rice
John McCain
All of them are okay in my book. I would vote for any of them. |
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