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Upcoming holiday- are we supposed to give gifts?
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Upcoming holiday- are we supposed to give gifts? Reply with quote

This upcoming holiday in Korea- are we supposed to get small gifts for friends/co-workers? I don't want to look like a moron at work when EVERYONE else has presents for EVERYONE else and I have nothing to share.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wylies,

I had the same question. I'm at a public school and not sure if I should buy the principals (there are three of them at my school) something. I'm going to ask one of the Korean teachers because I don't want to look like I'm sucking up either. Most likely I'll buy them something small like a bottle of red plum wine. I saw some nice gift sets at Carrefour (Lotte Department Store or E-Mart would work too).
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Upcoming holiday- are we supposed to give gifts? Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
This upcoming holiday in Korea- are we supposed to get small gifts for friends/co-workers? I don't want to look like a moron at work when EVERYONE else has presents for EVERYONE else and I have nothing to share.


My understanding of the Korean custom for this holiday is that all employees are suppose to get very fat bonus from their employers. This includes teachers. This is how all employees buy gifts for their family and afford to travel to their home or go on a vacation.

Are you getting your holiday bonus?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here forever and have never given nor received any Chuseok presents from individuals. I have received boxes of soap or tuna or whatever from the employing schools.

I have also never received a bonus. Those are for full-time employees.

Gift-giving is not expected.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife said that public school teachers get a bonus of about 300,000 won roughly. Now, I doubt native speakers would get anything. In fact, I'd be shocked if we did.
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xox



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
My wife said that public school teachers get a bonus of about 300,000 won roughly. Now, I doubt native speakers would get anything. In fact, I'd be shocked if we did.


i feel like i do no work at the public schools.
its kind of dissapointing.
so we don't have to give gifts?
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have also never received a bonus. Those are for full-time employees.


Are we not full-time employees? I am a full-time employee at my school so I should be getting bonus then. Maybe it's just a wishful thinking......
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I didn't get cash, but I got a case of SPAM from my employer.

My coteacher at a public school told me it's a nice gesture to get something small. (No need to spend a lot of money, since they're getting gifts/bribes from tons of people.) She recommended for my principals a small tea gift set. They sell them at most stores, roughly 20,000 won, and it's a canister of tea leaves with either a set of cups or (i don't know what it's called) the part where you mix leaves and water.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are we not full-time employees? I am a full-time employee at my school so I should be getting bonus then. Maybe it's just a wishful thinking......


No you aren't.

I did make a mistake and use the Korean expression. What I should have said is we are not permanent employees. We are temporary.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I've been here forever and have never given nor received any Chuseok presents from individuals. I have received boxes of soap or tuna or whatever from the employing schools. I have also never received a bonus. Those are for full-time employees.

There are other bonuses. What about Lunar New Year? In addition to the bonuses, there are allowances and benefits given to Korean teachers that are not given to foreign teachers.

Ministry wants legislation to set bonus payments
New draft legislation was announced by the Ministry of Education and Human Resources Development yesterday. It wants to introduce a teacher evaluation system, a plan that has met opposition from the Korean Teachers and Education Workers' Union.... Until last year, teachers received bonuses without regard to merit, but only on the basis of their job title. The ministry has tried to change that, but met union resistance. The ministry ordered 16 local education offices not to accept bonus money that some members of the teachers' union have been returning in a bid to sabotage the system. So far, about 6,000 members of the union have returned cash totaling 64.2 billion won ($66.8 million).
by Yang Young-yu, JoongAng Daily (September 4, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200609/03/200609032322576509900090409041.html
64,200,000,000 won / 6000 members = 10,700,000 won per member bonus
or
$66,800,000 / 6000 members = $11,300 per member bonus
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Yesanman



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Chungnam

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuseok gifts are generally top down. So your boss will probably give you one but you wouldn't be expected to give them one.
If you have a good relationship with someone (landlord, neighbour) or wish to cultivate a relationship with them you could buy something.
But generally you don't have to.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I've been here forever and have never given nor received any Chuseok presents from individuals. I have received boxes of soap or tuna or whatever from the employing schools. I have also never received a bonus. Those are for full-time employees.

There are other bonuses. What about Lunar New Year? In addition to the bonuses, there are allowances and benefits available to Korean teachers that are not available to foreign teachers.

Ministry wants legislation to set bonus payments
New draft legislation was announced by the Ministry of Education and Human Resources Development yesterday. It wants to introduce a teacher evaluation system, a plan that has met opposition from the Korean Teachers and Education Workers' Union.... Until last year, teachers received bonuses without regard to merit, but only on the basis of their job title. The ministry has tried to change that, but met union resistance. The ministry ordered 16 local education offices not to accept bonus money that some members of the teachers' union have been returning in a bid to sabotage the system. So far, about 6,000 members of the union have returned cash totaling 64.2 billion won ($66.8 million).
by Yang Young-yu, JoongAng Daily (September 4, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200609/03/200609032322576509900090409041.html
64,200,000,000 won / 6000 members = 10,700,000 won per member bonus
or
$66,800,000 / 6000 members = $11,300 per member bonus


Hell, it's just plain simple racial discrimination. We are all full-time teachers too. I don't thinks we should also consider ourselves to be temporary either. Is there anything in the Korean Labor Law that differentiate from our situation to Koreans? I don't think so, because most of us get all the same benefits (medical, pension, etc.) of Korean employees. There should be class action law suit to get $11,300 if you work for the public school.
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
There should be class action law suit to get $11,300 if you work for the public school.


You wouldn't happen to come from the U.S. by any chance, would you?
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contractually, aren't we considered teaching assistants, regardless of the hours we work (at public schools)?

Well, we are entitled to severance pay after 12 months based on our status.

I'd like a bigger piece of the pie, too, but I don't want to get into that debate right now. Sooooooo much has to change---attitudes and perceptions of foreign teachers, hiring practices, screening proceseses, etc.---for any sort of large scale bonus system to happen.

I'm not saying my coworkers are workaholics, but they do have more classes and more paperwork. That in and of itself doesn't justify an extra 10 grand a year (not including other yearly gifts/bribes), but I can just imagine the looks I'd get at the office if I got a fat envelope from the boss.

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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like money, but it's not everything. I'm thrilled that my boss chats with me and makes an effort to use English. I'm also really happy that I have a decent apartment, which adds up to a few thousand dollars a year. (Yeah, I know supply-and-demand dictates that, but I'm trying to not be cynical.) Also, they outfitted my place with brandnew furniture and appliances: another few thousand each year.

Things tend to even out, and my life becomes a lot easier if I don't count the ways I'm treated like a white person.
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