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States balk at cancer vaccine mandate
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Would you have your daughter vaccinated?
Yes
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No
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: States balk at cancer vaccine mandate Reply with quote

I can't help but think that the reaction to this would be different if it was for testicular or prostate cancer...

As was pointed out in the article, a girl could save herself for marriage, marry a man who has HPV, get cervical cancer and die

So, if you had a daughter, would you get her vaccinated or not?

States balk at cancer vaccine mandate
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer
Sun May 20, 2:49 PM ET

ATLANTA - For a time, Georgia was poised to become the latest state to require preteen girls to be vaccinated against a virus that causes cervical cancer.

A powerful state Republican lawmaker proposed making the vaccine mandatory for girls entering sixth grade, and the governor included $4.3 million in his budget to make it available to some 13,000 girls whose family's insurance policies wouldn't cover it.

But state lawmakers nixed the plans after aggressive lobbying by religious conservatives, who argued that vaccinating young girls could promote promiscuity. The human papillomavirus that causes cervical cancer is transmitted through sexual contact.

Similar proposals were introduced in 23 other states and the District of Columbia, but only Virginia has signed such a mandate into law.

Proposals in many states died or were watered down to only provide parents with educational materials instead of requiring the vaccine. In Texas, Gov. Rick Perry signed an executive order requiring vaccinations for sixth-grade girls, but the Legislature then passed a bill blocking the order.

Over the past several months, a vaccine that once was hailed as a breakthrough to prevent cancer deaths has become embroiled in some of the nation's most politically charged issues: teen sex, parental control, state mandates, a backlash against vaccines and a suspicion of drug companies.

"It encapsulates so many issues that are at the core of politics and health policy right now," said Alina Salganicoff, director of women's health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The vaccine Gardasil was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in June 2006. The federal Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices followed with a recommendation that all girls be vaccinated at age 11 or 12. The three-dose treatment costs $360.

Cervical cancer kills 10 women a day in the U.S. and one in four U.S. women ages 14 to 59 is infected with HPV, according to a recent report from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. While Gardasil is not a magic bullet, it protects against the strains of HPV that cause 70 percent of cervical cancers cases.

With the vaccine potentially saving many lives, cervical cancer survivor Lori Grice said, she was "completely dumbfounded" that it had become fodder for the culture wars.

"If this were a vaccine for prostate cancer they would have to call in the National Guard to keep the men from storming the place," said Grice, of Statesboro, Ga.

Grice said she plans to have her 6-year-old daughter vaccinated when she's old enough. She said her daughter can "make every right choice," avoiding IV drug use and premarital sex, "but she can marry someone who's a carrier of HPV, develop cervical cancer and die."

The sponsor of the Georgia bill, state Sen. Don Balfour, has said it is a great thing for the health of women in the state.

"It's good for your daughters," he said in a February hearing.

Others saw the vaccine mandate proposals differently.

The religious conservatives did not want the government to mandate a vaccine for "something that is only contracted through sexual activity," said Sadie Fields, executive director of the Georgia Christian Alliance.

Some parents insist that they should decide when their preteen daughter should be offered a vaccine that involved a discussion about sex.

Moira Gaul, director of women's and reproductive health at the conservative Family Research Council, said her group doesn't oppose the vaccine, but doesn't want it required.

"We think parents ought to be given a choice about what is best for their children," she said.

Others were turned off by what they saw as heavy-handed lobbying by the drug's maker, Merck and Co. Critics saw a drug company trying to get rich.

And there were worries that not enough was known about the drug's long-term health effects. As ammunition, critics pointed to Merck's recall of it's popular arthritis drug Vioxx because of increased heart risks. Merck has since said it will not lobby states for mandate bills.

Others argue politics is winning out over public health.

"It's really a shame that politics and ideology are getting in the way of saving lives," said Cantu Hinojosa, assistant director of government relations for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Hinojosa noted that the mandate bills � including the new law in Virginia � have opt-out provisions for parents who don't want their daughters vaccinated.

Still, Hinojosa said five states � Indiana, New York, North Dakota, Utah and Washington � have agreed to fund public education campaigns, which she said is a positive first step.

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On The Net:

National Conference of State Legislatures: http://www.ncsl.org

Kaiser Family Foundation: http://www.kff.org
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be made free, but not mandatory. Females must be given the choice to be freely vaccinated. Maybe at grade 6 some parents would say no, but by 8th grade, that girl will know what up. Make her choice confidential too.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
It should be made free, but not mandatory. Females must be given the choice to be freely vaccinated. Maybe at grade 6 some parents would say no, but by 8th grade, that girl will know what up. Make her choice confidential too.


I suppose that makes sense but it's still odd that parents will vaccinate their kids against the chicken pox which won't kill you but balk at the idea of vaccinating their daughters against cancer...
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe a religious fear of female sexuality is the culprit here.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
I believe a religious fear of female sexuality is the culprit here.


Sad but true...

A cure for testicular cancer...they couldn't make enough of that vaccine..
A cure for cervical cancer....Oh! That will make the girls sluts!

By the way, HPV can be transmitted from sexual contact as well so going to 3rd base might still get you HPV...

http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#Howget

The types of HPV that infect the genital area are spread primarily through genital contact. Most HPV infections have no signs or symptoms; therefore, most infected persons are unaware they are infected, yet they can transmit the virus to a sex partner. Rarely, a pregnant woman can pass HPV to her baby during vaginal delivery. A baby that is exposed to HPV very rarely develops warts in the throat or voice box.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im with the religious groups though not for their idiotic reasons. My reasoning is simple: Im against mandatory almost anything. It should be a choice and it should be free, but not mandatory.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Im with the religious groups though not for their idiotic reasons. My reasoning is simple: Im against mandatory almost anything. It should be a choice and it should be free, but not mandatory.


And normally I'd agree. I'm all for compromise, if religious people choose to follow their own path, who am I to stop them...

But here's my question. If there was a AIDS vaccine...wouldn't you want that to be mandatory?
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im with the religious groups though not for their idiotic reasons. My reasoning is simple: Im against mandatory almost anything. It should be a choice and it should be free, but not mandatory.


And normally I'd agree. I'm all for compromise, if religious people choose to follow their own path, who am I to stop them...

But here's my question. If there was a AIDS vaccine...wouldn't you want that to be mandatory?


As I said, I wouldnt want ANYTHING to be mandatory. Certainly not INVASIVE things like vaccines or other medical procedures, no matter how minor they may seem.

So answer is no, I would NOT want the AIDS vaccine to be anything but easily available and free/very cheap.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and before you claim that if there was a vaccine for testicular cancer the religious groups would be all for it....remember, religious groups are against condoms too. So its not as if they only care about male health.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Oh, and before you claim that if there was a vaccine for testicular cancer the religious groups would be all for it....remember, religious groups are against condoms too. So its not as if they only care about male health.


Nope....That part was more about the general public and not so much the Religious people. They tend to be more consistent in their comdemnation of things....

At least you are consistent, there are certainly people who would say no to a cervical cancer vaccine but yes to other things
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Im with the religious groups though not for their idiotic reasons. My reasoning is simple: Im against mandatory almost anything. It should be a choice and it should be free, but not mandatory.


Vaccines for diseases that can be spread by non-lifestyle interaction should be mandatory, unless you decide public school is a lifestyle choice. Vaccines only work when very large % of the population get it. If people start opting out for non-rational reasons, diseases spread.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
jinju wrote:
Im with the religious groups though not for their idiotic reasons. My reasoning is simple: Im against mandatory almost anything. It should be a choice and it should be free, but not mandatory.


Vaccines for diseases that can be spread by non-lifestyle interaction should be mandatory, unless you decide public school is a lifestyle choice. Vaccines only work when very large % of the population get it. If people start opting out for non-rational reasons, diseases spread.


Thats fine except I refuse to be forced to take anything I dont want. Screw "pubic good", my body, my choice.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also emerging evidence that boys should be vaccinated to prevent throat cancer (yes you can make a joke here).

But once again we have religous wingnuts who believe in witchcraft rather than science. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Thats fine except I refuse to be forced to take anything I dont want. Screw "pubic good", my body, my choice.


That's fine as long as you want to home school your children. The issue with vaccines is not vaccinating the adult population but vaccinating children before we let them into the public school system. No one forces an adult, for example, to get his/her booster shots.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
jinju wrote:
Thats fine except I refuse to be forced to take anything I dont want. Screw "pubic good", my body, my choice.


That's fine as long as you want to home school your children. The issue with vaccines is not vaccinating the adult population but vaccinating children before we let them into the public school system. No one forces an adult, for example, to get his/her booster shots.


But a valid point can be made that cervical cancer has nothing to do with school since it is not a disease that can be transmitted through normal everyday interactions such as coughing or sneezing....
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