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Greekfreak
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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: A lesson in impartiality: Australia vs. Japan |
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Anybody notice how bummed the commentators were after Japan scored their admittedly dodgy goal, yet they couldn't be more ecstatic after Australia knocked in three quick goals to win the game?
Was it 'happy for Hiddink' or 'hey, they kicked Japan's arse'? Just curious what other people think. |
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hermes.trismegistus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Japan's goal shouldn't have counted.
Australia scored the last two goals after the Japanese keeper started smoking crack while in the goal box.
Australia played like crap. They were lethargic, reactionary and generally pathetic. As has been their reputation, they played moreso akin to rugby than football.
I'd say the commentators enthusiasm entailed both anti-Japanese sentiment as well as pro-Hiddink sentiment.
Namaste. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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I reckon it was complete "happy Hidink" kinda stuff.
Aussie completely deserved to win. They were all over Japan. Sure, a lot of pass receptions looked pretty sloppy, but they were definitley the better of the two teams.
Congrats Aussie!! |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Inspired substitutions by ol' Golden Bollox. Tim Cahill is a star. Nice finish by Aloisi as well.
Cracking game. |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
I'd say the commentators enthusiasm entailed both anti-Japanese sentiment as well as pro-Hiddink sentiment.
Namaste. |
My thoughts exactly.
Now onto Czech vs. USA. Any bets? I haven't seen the States play in ages, and the Czech's are fielding a few key players that are either too old or not quite 100%.
I've been going for the underdogs this tourney, so figure 2-1 for the US. |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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The announcers were horrendous as usual. No thought of impartiality.
Still, good for Australia and their first World Cup win ever.
Guus Hiddink looks pretty good right now I guess. 
I don't like Australis though. They have eliminated Canada from the World Cup before in a cross over game.  Hee hee...
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hermes.trismegistus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Umm... The Australian team had no fire. The Japanese looked like they wanted it. Australia was "all over" Japan, but they weren't playing well. They were sloppy, slow, undisciplined, and generally blah. They pushed people around, made tackles, then looked around in disbelief when the penalty was called.
I can't support a team that tries to play rugby with a football. You would never see such tactics from the likes of Brazil. They rely on skill. Australia clearly didn't have the skill, so they just regressed to sandbox diplomacy.
Namaste. |
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Greekfreak
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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You could definitely generalize these two teams into 'speed' vs. 'size', although I was really surprised that Japan seemed so tired in the last 20 minutes. Brazil will have more trouble with Japan than Australia, but will run rings around both unless Zico ups the dosages somewhat.
Props to Australia; they've already done more than they're expected to do. |
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Bo Peabody
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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The KBS commentators' blundering aside,
HIDDINK IS THE SECOND COMING OF MOSES
Screw the Russian gig, he needs to manage the Democratic election campaign in America after this World Cup. The man has the magic touch. Aloisi and Cahill score three goals in eight minutes - How the *beep* did he know to introduce these two at that precise moment? Where was he when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans?
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billybrobby
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
The announcers were horrendous as usual. No thought of impartiality.
Still, good for Australia and their first World Cup win ever.
Guus Hiddink looks pretty good right now I guess.
I don't like Australis though. They have eliminated Canada from the World Cup before in a cross over game. Hee hee... |
As I understand it, it's a broadcast in Korean for Koreans, so why should there be impartiality? It's like when you listen to a sports broadcast on the local radio, there's no pretense of impartiality, and there isn't really any reason there should be because it's going to the local market.
now, if they're rooting against japan just for the sake of rooting against japan, that's a bet petty, but I don't think they need to be impartial. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
Umm... The Australian team had no fire. The Japanese looked like they wanted it. Australia was "all over" Japan, but they weren't playing well. They were sloppy, slow, undisciplined, and generally blah. They pushed people around, made tackles, then looked around in disbelief when the penalty was called.
I can't support a team that tries to play rugby with a football. You would never see such tactics from the likes of Brazil. They rely on skill. Australia clearly didn't have the skill, so they just regressed to sandbox diplomacy.
Namaste. |
I think we were watching a different game. Japan did jack all in the second half, and same for the better part of the first half. I thought they had 0 desire to win. To me Aus. was looking pretty unskilled, but at least hungry. I'd like to see the time of posession numbers cuz I'm sure Aus. dominated in that area.(granted though, I am not a soccer expert so I'll give way to you). |
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Guri Guy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I am from Canada and I enjoy watching hockey. I have watched many international matches involving Canada. I will admit that the announcers can be homers to an extent but nowhere near as bad as those craptastic Korean announcers. Keep in mind, this is with Canada playing.
Now in games not involving Canada, I think Canadian hockey announcers call it pretty well. That is what I expect. Not immature childish garbage.
Anyway, like I said in another thread Schadenfreuden is a bad thing. (Taking pleasure in someone else's pain). Could come right back to them tomorrow night if they underestimate Togo.  |
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Satori
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
As I understand it, it's a broadcast in Korean for Koreans, so why should there be impartiality? |
Because it's an important part of sport, a tradition called sportsmanship, and an important part of classy sports broadcasting.
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It's like when you listen to a sports broadcast on the local radio, there's no pretense of impartiality |
There definitely is in New Zealand, as there should be. The announcers might very slyly let you know who they would like to win, but that's it. They will call the game properly and fairly. And the tv footage will reflect that too. And the sport audience don't just expect that, they demand it. |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| I think we were watching a different game. Japan did jack all in the second half, and same for the better part of the first half. I thought they had 0 desire to win. To me Aus. was looking pretty unskilled, but at least hungry. I'd like to see the time of posession numbers cuz I'm sure Aus. dominated in that area.(granted though, I am not a soccer expert so I'll give way to you). |
Of course we saw a different game. All information passes though different filters depending on who consumes it, and at what time.
I think Australia had significantly more possession - but they generally did jack all with it. Poor ball control, poor passing, and they couldn't string together solid attacks or defense. It was very sporadic play.
I'm no expert mate. I don't take sports seriously. I just enjoy the entertainment. Disagreeing with fans with a different perspective seems like part of that entertainment. I have no delusion that either perspective is entirely - or even mostly - accurate.
Namaste. |
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Njord
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
As I understand it, it's a broadcast in Korean for Koreans, so why should there be impartiality? |
Because it's an important part of sport, a tradition called sportsmanship, and an important part of classy sports broadcasting.
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It's like when you listen to a sports broadcast on the local radio, there's no pretense of impartiality |
There definitely is in New Zealand, as there should be. The announcers might very slyly let you know who they would like to win, but that's it. They will call the game properly and fairly. And the tv footage will reflect that too. And the sport audience don't just expect that, they demand it. |
Well, in the United States we really don't watch much international sports. But when we do, the announcers are a more than "very sly" in letting you know that they want the US to win. I would say it is fairly blatant. Of course, they are still very respectful as, I assume, are the Korean announcers. On the other hand, they would be unbiased in a match between, say, Iran and Mexico.
Also, I kept hearing the Korean anouncers saying "Hiddink this, Hiddink that, etc." It sounded like that's all they were talking about for a few long periods. So my guess is that it was more pro-Hiddink than anti-Japan. |
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