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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: Hellish Korea situation (need advice/help) Reply with quote

I need help and advice about what to do with a really hellish situation I've found myself in.

The problem I'm facing is the fact that my boss is being a complete jerk to me. When I signed up, I asked them for specific agreements in the contract. They readily agreed to it... but when I got here they presented me with a contract that was not what we'd agreed to. I insisted that they change it. Then I found out that while on paper it's been changed, it really hasn't. My major complaint is that when I was recruited they *told* me I was teaching Kindergarten and very young elementary school students. I chose the school because of that. Half of the day I'm teaching older elementary and middle school students. I don't know why, but I just can't teach older students. I've never been able to click with them. Young kids I can teach all day. I thrive on that level of energy and enthusiasm. I can't stand the sullen, belligerent pre-pubescent teen attitude.

They keep making me promises, then casually blow it off or just blatantly lie to me. Then when I very humbly come to them and explain that I have a problem and would like to talk about it, they get angry and start threatening me with legal action. I was very demure and mild mannered asking for their help (as I was advised to do by other foreigners). They've evolved to the point of actually making things difficult for me. I needed to visit a specialist doctor (a psychiatrist to refill an antidepressant prescription) and they just kept shrugging it off and saying "we cannot help you, go back to work." I contacted my recruiter who gave me the same line. They are angry that I am unhappy with the placement.

I went to some of the other foreigners here and found someone who is on a similar prescription. I have to travel 1.5 hours by subway to a clinic they know of, even though I *know* there are dozens of clinics in my area. I just can't read the signs or call around.

I told them at the beginning of June that I would like to find another placement because this one isn't working out for me. Initially they said that they were fine with it, and I could give them 30 days written notice. Which I did. Then they said I couldn't go at the end of June, but the end of July... or August. I agreed to stay through the end of July so they could find another teacher if they would be willing to sign something saying I can leave, without any penalties. They said they'd sign it if I'd stay... but now they are stalling.

OK so coming around to my question:

I want out of this contract. Now. I'd be willing to stay through July if I know they'll actually let me go, but I don't think that's the case.

How hard is it to get out of this contract if I think they've violated it? How do I do it? Who do I go to for help if my recruiter isn't being helpful?

Should I start looking for other jobs in China or Japan and just forget about working in Korea?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recruiter won't be any help - this should not come as a surprise.

If you want to work in Korea again you'll need a letter of release to get your visa cancelled. Securing this may be your biggest problem. I had to be a hell of an asshole to get mine and from the tone of your writing you don't sound like nearly the asshole I can be.

Looking for work in China or Japan may be a good option. Are your foreign and Korea co-workers no help at all?
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is everything else good except for the fact that you have to teach older kids for half the day?

Do they pay you on-time?

Hogwan owners who lie... that's just par for the course in Korea.

If the older kids is your only real issue, you might just want to consider sucking it up and waiting for your contract to end, and then find another school.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ms./Sir:

There may be a sort of back door way to fix your situation.

Please send a Private Message to me about this very possible way out of your intolerable conditions at your school.

Cordially,

r
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philipjames



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw the Omen the other day. Really surprised. I thought Satan was in league with hogwan owners, but I didn't see a single hogwan owner in the film. Did I miss something?

Seriously though, many hogwan owners are pure evil. Worked at four over the years and the pure deception, lies, evasion, and indifference to the welfare of the f/t was unbelievable.

I feel for your situation. Been there big time. Never going back.

Those posters who compare public school jobs to hogwans are wrong. Working at a public school, in my experience, is a thousand times better. Hogwans (and taxi drivers) are the worst ambassadors a country could wish for.

I hope things work out for you.
Jameson
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just stop going to work. The 30 days notice you gave is up? I'd point that out once it is up, then just camp out in the apt. they provided you until you get a letter of release. Make a trip to your labor board, as well, and file a complaint. Make sure you have everything spelled out in Korean when you go to the labor board, or bring a translator. Do you have documentation that you gave 30 days notice? The labor board will (should!) call your employer and ask why they haven't given you a letter of release.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I'm going to be a little harsh here. You expect them to help you with the doctor? How? They are also busy with their jobs. To live here in Korea, you're going to have find information out on your own. Besides, even if you go to a doctor in your area, who knows if they will speak the same language or even understand your problem. You need to find a doctor who is western trained. Glad to hear that you did the best thing and found a doctor by talking to other foriegners.
Your work can't hold your hand on these things, sometimes they will but in the long run, that won't help because you become less independent. Use this site (especially General Discussion), people will help you, (including me) when you're looking for someone/something.
As for the job, don't let them push you around, you and they agreed to the end of July, so stick with that. Don't change your mind. If you stay in Korea, research and look at the school. Hope you have some cash because it will cost you.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is everything else good except for the fact that you have to teach older kids for half the day?


I've only been here 1.5 months. They've paid me once, and it was a week late.

They promised me a fully furnished apt when I got here... including all the misc things I need for a house. It took them 2 weeks to get me a refridgerator, stove and TV. I had to buy all the misc stuff for the house myself.

They are becoming really hostile to me. I had a really bad infection, with a fever, and had to go to the hospital. My boss yelled at me and told me to get back to work. I told her I really had to go, and she said I couldn't. I told her I was leaving, and she stormed out and slammed the door.

It started out as something small where I just wanted to know if I could find a way not to teach the older children, but now they're making this world war three.

About the whole doctor thing... the ONLY reason I expected them to help me is because they TOLD me they would. They told me over and over to please come to them when ever I needed a doctor appointment. This is the first week I was there. The reason I was angry was because they HAD the name and number of the doctor already... they were refusing to give it to me. I wasn't asking them to go out of their way... just to open up their file and pull out the doctors name.

I told her that morning I was totally willing to get the appointment myself it would just take me a while. She said she was going to do it, so I didn't miss any classes.

I took the day off today and did some beating the streets and managed to find it myself. But it took all day.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do the other foreigners feel about the place? Are they of no help?

If you want to stay in Korea I suggest you start making Korean friends. If you don't, just leave after the next payday.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riley is always there with stock putdowns. Feck him/her and keep on, Teach-uh!

As I indicated to you, the back door is usually the best way into the corrupt thing: Do not sweat a t'ing because every leetle t'ing's gonna be alright.

Read my P.M.!
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerriowen wrote:
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Is everything else good except for the fact that you have to teach older kids for half the day?


I've only been here 1.5 months. They've paid me once, and it was a week late.

They promised me a fully furnished apt when I got here... including all the misc things I need for a house. It took them 2 weeks to get me a refridgerator, stove and TV. I had to buy all the misc stuff for the house myself.

They are becoming really hostile to me. I had a really bad infection, with a fever, and had to go to the hospital. My boss yelled at me and told me to get back to work. I told her I really had to go, and she said I couldn't. I told her I was leaving, and she stormed out and slammed the door.

It started out as something small where I just wanted to know if I could find a way not to teach the older children, but now they're making this world war three.

About the whole doctor thing... the ONLY reason I expected them to help me is because they TOLD me they would. They told me over and over to please come to them when ever I needed a doctor appointment. This is the first week I was there. The reason I was angry was because they HAD the name and number of the doctor already... they were refusing to give it to me. I wasn't asking them to go out of their way... just to open up their file and pull out the doctors name.

I told her that morning I was totally willing to get the appointment myself it would just take me a while. She said she was going to do it, so I didn't miss any classes.

I took the day off today and did some beating the streets and managed to find it myself. But it took all day.


Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. Don't take that b.s. Slamming doors and yelling? Don't stay there another second. You don't owe them anything. Sounds like your director is a manipulative liar, and just downright nasty. She has no right to treat you like that. No right at all. Stand up for yourself, and contact Roch Wink Sounds like he has a plan. I want to know what happens, so keep us posted!
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have some mental health issues you need to get yourself out of that stressful job. Quit. Tell them you've had enough and be done with it. Go back home and relax. Find another job outside of Korea. Things will not get better.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Hellish Korea situation (need advice/help) Reply with quote

Cerriowen wrote:

I needed to visit a specialist doctor (a psychiatrist to refill an antidepressant prescription) and they just kept shrugging it off and saying "we cannot help you, go back to work." I contacted my recruiter who gave me the same line. They are angry that I am unhappy with the placement.

I went to some of the other foreigners here and found someone who is on a similar prescription. I have to travel 1.5 hours by subway to a clinic they know of, even though I *know* there are dozens of clinics in my area. I just can't read the signs or call around.



Two things about this stick out in my mind about this. First, Riley's right, you need to be more proactive about doing things for yourself. Asking your boss to help you is going to cause you trouble in the end, as every favor you ask them for is something they can and will use as leverage to try to get you to do things for them.

Second, you really need to be more discreet about the fact that you are seeing a psychiatrist and taking meds. Koreans do not have as enlightened attitude towards mental health as Westerners do. The fact that you told your boss you're seeing a shrink may very well be the reason he's treating you so shoddily now.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riley wrote:
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Sorry, but I'm going to be a little harsh here. You expect them to help you with the doctor? How? They are also busy with their jobs. To live here in Korea, you're going to have find information out on your own. Besides, even if you go to a doctor in your area, who knows if they will speak the same language or even understand your problem. You need to find a doctor who is western trained. Glad to hear that you did the best thing and found a doctor by talking to other foriegners.
Your work can't hold your hand on these things, sometimes they will but in the long run, that won't help because you become less independent. Use this site (especially General Discussion), people will help you, (including me) when you're looking for someone/something.


Sorry riley but I am going to have to disagree with you here!

Yes the hogwan should help any foreign teacher find a doctor in the area...if necessary take them there personally the first few times and make sure that they are getting the help they need! This is for the exact reasons you pointed out!

A smart hogwan will help out the teachers in any aspect they can.....its in their best interest.

TO the OP

go to the labour board and talk to them....tell them that you have given 30 days notice(get it in writing if you can) and that they wont let you leave......get out of that crappy situation and find a new job(or return home if you need to)

DO not put up with any crap from the owner/director!
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerriowen wrote:
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Is everything else good except for the fact that you have to teach older kids for half the day?




I've only been here 1.5 months. They've paid me once, and it was a week late.

They promised me a fully furnished apt when I got here... including all the misc things I need for a house. It took them 2 weeks to get me a refridgerator, stove and TV. I had to buy all the misc stuff for the house myself.

They are becoming really hostile to me. I had a really bad infection, with a fever, and had to go to the hospital. My boss yelled at me and told me to get back to work. I told her I really had to go, and she said I couldn't. I told her I was leaving, and she stormed out and slammed the door.

It started out as something small where I just wanted to know if I could find a way not to teach the older children, but now they're making this world war three.

About the whole doctor thing... the ONLY reason I expected them to help me is because they TOLD me they would. They told me over and over to please come to them when ever I needed a doctor appointment. This is the first week I was there. The reason I was angry was because they HAD the name and number of the doctor already... they were refusing to give it to me. I wasn't asking them to go out of their way... just to open up their file and pull out the doctors name.

I told her that morning I was totally willing to get the appointment myself it would just take me a while. She said she was going to do it, so I didn't miss any classes.

I took the day off today and did some beating the streets and managed to find it myself. But it took all day.


"I went to some of the other foreigners here and found someone who is on a similar prescription. I have to travel 1.5 hours by subway to a clinic they know of, even though I *know* there are dozens of clinics in my area. I just can't read the signs or call around."


They simply don't want you to call in sick or go to the doctor unless it suites them. What's worse, they don't trust you/haven't gotten you health care, so they are sending you to a doctor they know (who will probably tell them whatever they want to hear/not charge them anything).
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