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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: Teachers Launch Strike Against New Bonus System |
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Unionized teachers launch strike against new bonus system
... The protesters, all leaders of the Korean Teachers and Education Workers' Union, began the "indefinite" protest Friday in front of a government building in downtown Seoul, demanding that the government call off the introduction of differentiated bonus payment for teachers.
Yonhap News (June 11, 2006)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20060611/470100000020060611164241E1.html |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hah hah, yea doubters! Here's the teachers' bonus I've been railing about all this time -- finally exposed! Non-believers, cower in shame!
"Um, Mack. I asked the teachers at my school and none of them seem to know anything about any bonus."
That's because they're goddam LIARS. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hah hah, yea doubters! Here's the teachers' bonus I've been railing about all this time -- finally exposed! Non-believers, cower in shame!
"Um, Mack. I asked the teachers at my school and none of them seem to know anything about any bonus."
That's because they're goddam LIARS. |
A Country of Liars
... South Korea saw 16 times as many perjury cases in 2003 than Japan, 39 times as many libel cases and 26 times as many instances of fraud. That is extraordinarily high given Japan's population is three times our own. The common denominator of the three crimes is lying; in short, we live in a country of liars.
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html
Corrupt Officials to Forfeit Bonuses
by Hyun-Jin Park, Donga.com (March 13, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006031313528
Income Tax to Be Levied on Bribes
"The current law is so unfair in that ordinary people are subject to pay taxes on bribes they take, but politicians are not," said Rep. Song Young-gil of the ruling Uri Party who served as a member of the subpanel of the National Assembly's Finance-Economy Committee.
by Jung Sung-ki, Korea Times (April 22, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200504/kt2005042217230511990.htm
Stop corruption in academia
Editorial, JoongAng Daily (April 27, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272153216879900090109011.html |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
Hah hah, yea doubters! Here's the teachers' bonus I've been railing about all this time -- finally exposed! Non-believers, cower in shame!
"Um, Mack. I asked the teachers at my school and none of them seem to know anything about any bonus."
That's because they're goddam LIARS. |
And what exactly is this bonus system you speak of? |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| And what exactly is this bonus system you speak of? |
Every other month Korean teachers receive a bonus which roughly equals their salary. However, 99% of the time when you ask a teacher about this bonus they'll answer "Huh? Bonus? What bonus?" Then you confront them with the details and they're all like "Oooohhhhhhhhh! Thaaaaaat bonus...."
They know that foreign teachers who work with them at their schools teach more hours than they do, but receive neither the sweet vacations nor the FAT bonus, so they're all hush-hush. It's a conspiracy of silence. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| do you have any evidence of this? i have seen some of my coteachers pay stubs, and never saw anything strange... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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yeah...OOOOOOooooooo....big conspiracy!!!
Do you know what the base salary of a Korean elementary school teacher is? Well, if you don't, it's a fair bit lower than a foreigner's pay at a hagwon. Looking at their base pay, it's a terrible job and it's only the "bonuses" that make it even remotely acceptable.
If it's so corrupt and immoral, please explain why. Let's not forget that they have degrees in education.
I am all for the strike. If you had any real knowledge of the life of an elementary school teacher in Korea, you would be as well. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
yeah...OOOOOOooooooo....big conspiracy!!!
Do you know what the base salary of a Korean elementary school teacher is? Well, if you don't, it's a fair bit lower than a foreigner's pay at a hagwon. Looking at their base pay, it's a terrible job and it's only the "bonuses" that make it even remotely acceptable.
If it's so corrupt and immoral, please explain why. Let's not forget that they have degrees in education.
I am all for the strike. If you had any real knowledge of the life of an elementary school teacher in Korea, you would be as well. |
I used to work at a hogwan which had a fully licensed private "Montisori" Korean Kindergarten in it. The Korean Kindy teachers made half of what i did and easily did twice the work while dealing with more students and having tons of working hours. I felt sorry for them. I don't know if they received bonuses but they did get perks every once in a while such as our manager offering to pay half the cost of a group vacation to Europe in February. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Do you know what the base salary of a Korean elementary school teacher is? Well, if you don't, it's a fair bit lower than a foreigner's pay at a hagwon. Looking at their base pay, it's a terrible job and it's only the "bonuses" that make it even remotely acceptable. |
Apples to oranges. No one's talking about hogwons here. Only public school teachers. Follow Reality's link and you will see that Korean teachers have no reason to be b*tching and moaning about their salaries.
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| Let's not forget that they have degrees in education. |
That are not worth the paper they're printed on. The BEST university in Korea ranks 168 in the world or something like that. My s**tty state school is in the top 100. Even if I had majored in underwater basket weaving I would still have come out on top.
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| I am all for the strike. If you had any real knowledge of the life of an elementary school teacher in Korea, you would be as well. |
You sure know a lot about me, but apparently somewhere along the line you've missed the fact that I've been teaching in an elementary school for two years, or that my wife's brother is a teacher, and so was her father. You want the inside scoop on Korean education, I'm your man.
Game. Set. Match. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Do you know what the base salary of a Korean elementary school teacher is? Well, if you don't, it's a fair bit lower than a foreigner's pay at a hagwon. Looking at their base pay, it's a terrible job and it's only the "bonuses" that make it even remotely acceptable. |
Apples to oranges. No one's talking about hogwons here. Only public school teachers. Follow Reality's link and you will see that Korean teachers have no reason to be b*tching and moaning about their salaries.
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| Let's not forget that they have degrees in education. |
That are not worth the paper they're printed on. The BEST university in Korea ranks 168 in the world or something like that. My s**tty state school is in the top 100. Even if I had majored in underwater basket weaving I would still have come out on top.
Game. Set. Match. |
True....my university ranked 20th in the World. Yeahh...... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
Apples to oranges. No one's talking about hogwons here. Only public school teachers. Follow Reality's link and you will see that Korean teachers have no reason to be b*tching and moaning about their salaries.
That are not worth the paper they're printed on. The BEST university in Korea ranks 168 in the world or something like that. My s**tty state school is in the top 100. Even if I had majored in underwater basket weaving I would still have come out on top.
You sure know a lot about me, but apparently somewhere along the line you've missed the fact that I've been teaching in an elementary school for two years, or that my wife's brother is a teacher, and so was her father. You want the inside scoop on Korean education, I'm your man.
Game. Set. Match. |
You are gonna be my something all right... 
My Korean wife is an elementary school teacher, going into her 12th year. I'm going into my 4th year as an elementary school teacher, have many friends who are teachers and I can speak to them in their language...no broken conversations giving only half-truths. I know a bit about it too mack...more than RR's link lets on, and I surmise, much more than you.
You talk of apples to oranges, then give me world rankings about universities? Har! That all may be well and true, but none of the graduates from any of those "great" universities can do the jobs in question, so your point is moot.
All you have done is given a bunch of opinion, and no facts. You seem to like trying to poke holes, but not so good at filling your own.
As I said, give me a reason why they first, shouldn't recieve their 'bonus' (which is actually part of their 'wage') and second, why you are against the strike.
Your 'theory' of the great "silent conspiracy" is hilarious; a typical view from the outside. Yeah, this place has a lot of corruption; my wife faces it everyday, but I tell you man...the teachers' pay agenda isn't part of it.
Now, with 16 years collective experience to draw on, I say they should strike and they deserve to win. They are far from overpaid, mack.
Here is the entirety of RR's link:
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"Unionized teachers launch strike against new bonus system
SEOUL, June 11 (Yonhap) -- Dozens of unionized teachers continued a protest rally for the third straight day on Sunday, opposing a government plan to enforce a performance-based bonus system for teachers.
The protesters, all leaders of the Korean Teachers and Education Workers' Union, began the "indefinite" protest Friday in front of a government building in downtown Seoul, demanding that the government call off the introduction of differentiated bonus payment for teachers." |
Wow. You really got me there mate. Your knife is dull. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| My Korean wife is an elementary school teacher, going into her 12th year. I'm going into my 4th year as an elementary school teacher, have many friends who are teachers and I can speak to them in their language...no broken conversations giving only half-truths. I know a bit about it too mack...more than RR's link lets on, and I surmise, much more than you. |
Sorry, I'm gonna have to own you now.
First, let's talk collective experience. 38 years for father-in-law, 15 for brother-in-law, plus my meager 2. FIFTY FIVE YEARS to your SIXTEEN.
Second, you make the claim that without their bonuses, teachers' salaries are low. Compared to who? Did you even follow the link RR provided, which clearly showed Korea in the TOP of the rankings. Open your eyes.
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Relative to per capita GDP, teacher salaries are relatively low in the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Norway and relatively high in South Korea, Spain, and Switzerland.
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Third, it is a silent conspiracy. Teachers don't want you to know that you deserve the bonus as much as they do, because you put in MORE teaching hours and work vacations while they are sitting on a beach in Jeju-do or attending a workshop which lasts a couple hours a day for a week or two.
Fourth, who said anything about corrupt and immoral? Maybe that was RR, but that's his gig, not mine. I don't believe in "corrupt" and "immoral", I believe in "action" and "reaction". You tell me I don't deserve a bonus like all the other teachers, I tell you where you can go and how fast.
Fifth, hogwons and public schools are about as similar as capitalism and communism. Apples. Oranges.
Sixth, having a teaching degree does not make one a good teacher. There are metric f**k-tonnes of crap teachers with teaching certificates from Korean universities. I am a better teacher than many teachers at my school. I have both observed them and taught with them. My point being, Korean teachers DO NOT deserve a bonus simply because they passed Teaching 101 at Bumble Funk Uni. somewhere out in the sticks.
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
Do you know what the base salary of a Korean elementary school teacher is? Well, if you don't, it's a fair bit lower than a foreigner's pay at a hagwon. Looking at their base pay, it's a terrible job and it's only the "bonuses" that make it even remotely acceptable.
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Well, what is their base pay then? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: |
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You need to subscribe to read the article.
Could someone please post it here?
Thanks. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I won't 'argue' with a person on the internet. Believe what you like; it's of no consequence to me as I know what's what.
Take a rest.
Have a nice day.
Thunndaar: The base pay for an elementary school teacher is about 1.5 million a month. |
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