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philipjames
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 Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: The GEPIK re-signing pay increase. |
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If a person signs on for a secondf year with GEPIK, but at a different school, are they entitled to a raise? Or do we have to renew the contract at the same school to qualify for the higher salary? Does anyone know about this?
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Why re-sign? Public schools are resembling hogwons more every day. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Why re-sign? Public schools are resembling hogwons more every day. |
True dat.
I received a raise after the first renewal but this year, nothing. I told them where to shove that offer. |
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Jasobang
Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Raises only apply in certain circumstances regarding GEPIK. If one can improve their level, 3 to 2 or 1, then a raise would be in order. Considering that they accept the online TEFL course, upgrading ones level is relatively easy. The only other way that I've noticed is that a level 1 teacher is due for a raise after two years at the same school. Since this will be the first year that this actually comes into effect, it will be interesting to see how that process runs. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: The GEPIK re-signing pay increase. |
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| philipjames wrote: |
If a person signs on for a secondf year with GEPIK, but at a different school, are they entitled to a raise? Or do we have to renew the contract at the same school to qualify for the higher salary? Does anyone know about this?
Thanks. |
It depends on what level you were at.
If you change schools (City Office of Education) then you don't get the raise based on years of service but you will get level increases if your professional development or qualifications change because of the experience.
For example, If you were level 3 before, you will move up to level 2 even if you change schools. Level two is at a higher pay level than level one and you get the raise because of the year of experience in GEPIK... so in effect you get a 200k won per month raise anyway.
If you were level 2 and had a TESOL cert and 2 years of experience in GEPIK you will move up to level 1. Again a pay raise because of the level up even if you change schools. IF you don't level up then you will be at the same salary level when you change schools.
If you were level 1 you would lose any raise into the 1+ levels if/when you change schools.
If you change schools and are still in the same POE you may keep your "seniority" but I can't confirm that. Perhaps you can give a call to David Nam and the Gyeonggi-do Education Office (policy division) and get a better answer. His number is/was (031)249-0044.
Hope that was some help and clarification. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Why re-sign? Public schools are resembling hogwons more every day. |
How do you figure that?
Set work hours, stable, paid on time always, no added/last minute class changes (unless it means having time off), no monster students, a friendly atmosphere, resources, respect, looks better on a resume...
Heck, it's a long list of things that are better than any hagwon I have worked in in 10 years....or maybe it's only my schools?
I would say that uni jobs are getting closer to hagwons than public schools. 
I have recieved a raise each year, added time off and a lot of small perks for being a long term employee. This means that all of my co-workers and principal have really gotten to know me and consider me a friend, not just a foreigner.
Yeah....maybe my situation is outside the norm, but I think anyone who sticks with a school for a longer period would experience similar things. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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With regards to GEPIK, in practice, once you reach a certain limit (according to experience or certification), your salary can no longer increase. That is what I have heard from other level 1 GEPIK teachers and that is my own experience. Regardless of whether or not you "upgrade", you should get a pay increase. Have you ever worked ANY job, EVER, where you did not get a pay raise at least annually, if not bi-annually? You would have to be NUTS to accept a job where that did not happen. In the end, you would actually be LOSING money because of inflation.
My advice: If you want to work for a public school, avoid GEPIK/EPIK. The contracts are getting s**ttier by the minute. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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My advice: If you want to work for a public school, avoid GEPIK/EPIK. The contracts are getting s**ttier by the minute.
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This is 100% true |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
With regards to GEPIK, in practice, once you reach a certain limit (according to experience or certification), your salary can no longer increase. That is what I have heard from other level 1 GEPIK teachers and that is my own experience. Regardless of whether or not you "upgrade", you should get a pay increase. Have you ever worked ANY job, EVER, where you did not get a pay raise at least annually, if not bi-annually? You would have to be NUTS to accept a job where that did not happen. In the end, you would actually be LOSING money because of inflation.
My advice: If you want to work for a public school, avoid GEPIK/EPIK. The contracts are getting s**ttier by the minute. |
This would actually seem to be a good reason to work there though. If the contracts are getting worse, all you would have to do is hang tough for a couple of years, and by then they would be losing so many teachers and job applicants that they would have to raise the benefits sharply. And as someone with the inside track you would stand to benefit more than most.
It's like playing the market. Never sell a solid stock just because everyone else is. Pick it up at bottom basement prices and wait for it to go up. A public school (to use the stock market analogy) is a lot more stable stock than any hakwon and many unis. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| If the contracts are getting worse, all you would have to do is hang tough for a couple of years, and by then they would be losing so many teachers and job applicants that they would have to raise the benefits sharply. And as someone with the inside track you would stand to benefit more than most. |
But you've forgotten. This is KOREA. Korea doesn't play by fair market rules. It's ruled entirely by public sentiment. From the dirty little ajumas who want to sell combs for W500 outside of the fanciest department store in Korea, all the way up to the so-called president of the country, public sentiment rules them all.
Now and probably forever, public sentiment dictates that all foreigners living in Korea must be treated as second-class citizens, or worse. Therefore, the odds of getting a fair shake such as the one you are dreaming about are what, forty eight million to one? |
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Blue Cheer
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: No raise for you! |
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Hello everyone,
As to the pay raises and Gepik, it seems that if the teacher is a Level One (2.3 million a month) there is no pay raise until getting into their third year in the program. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I re-signed last year and there was no raise. Some of the other teachers at level one got the same treatment.
Now, the second contract I signed stipulated that I might be able to get a raise if I am deemed worthy of one. The Gepik generals have come up with a wildly elaborate performance appraisal rubric that the Gepik captains use to deem "said worthiness." I've designed my own rubric to evaluate the Gepik program. After tallying the results I've decided to not re-sign for another year. It's unfortunate but results are results. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| If the contracts are getting worse, all you would have to do is hang tough for a couple of years, and by then they would be losing so many teachers and job applicants that they would have to raise the benefits sharply. And as someone with the inside track you would stand to benefit more than most. |
But you've forgotten. This is KOREA. Korea doesn't play by fair market rules. It's ruled entirely by public sentiment. From the dirty little ajumas who want to sell combs for W500 outside of the fanciest department store in Korea, all the way up to the so-called president of the country, public sentiment rules them all.
Now and probably forever, public sentiment dictates that all foreigners living in Korea must be treated as second-class citizens, or worse. Therefore, the odds of getting a fair shake such as the one you are dreaming about are what, forty eight million to one? |
a strong generalisation that bears no resemblence to reality |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| a strong generalisation that bears no resemblence to reality |
A foolish comment that betrays your naivete. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| I just started at a public school in Incheon this month. Because of my experience and education I was able to attain level 1. I guess it's a good think I'm not planning on staying if more then one year if there is no more incentive to do so. |
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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Why re-sign? Public schools are resembling hogwons more every day. |
There is a big difference. |
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