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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Crazy Ajoshis in Los Angeles |
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-17-koreatown_x.htm
L.A. confronts Asian family abuse
Posted 5/17/2006 11:15 PM ET
By Martin Kasindorf, USA TODAY
LOS ANGELES � Seven deaths within one week in spasms of family violence have plunged this city's Koreatown into questioning its immigrant culture of stoically bearing the stresses of adjusting to American life.
Three Korean-born men allegedly killed spouses or children, and in two cases killed themselves, police reports say. The killings April 2-9 echo murder-suicides in recent years among immigrant Chinese and Filipinos in California and among Laotian Hmong refugees in California, Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Mental health professionals are searching for explanations. Many say that traditional Asian values of patriarchy and reticence may make these immigrant families more vulnerable to murder and suicide when they encounter setbacks than groups from other countries.
Among fathers emigrating from Asia, "there's a mentality of, 'If I'm a failure, I make my whole family look bad, and we're all in this together, for better or for worse,' " says Helen Hsu, a psychologist with Asian Community Mental Health Services in Oakland. "And there's a huge social stigma in a man seeking help, telling people he's having family problems or he's depressed."
In most Asian cultures, "people try to deal with problems ourselves or within the family," says Alice Lai-Bitker, a Chinese-American and a member of the Alameda County, Calif., Board of Supervisors. "If you're an immigrant, you have added stress. Some of the populations come from war-torn countries. Cambodians, Laotians, Hmong had tremendous trauma before they got here."
Family violence has been a problem in Asian-American immigrant neighborhoods for years, says Howard Kim, director of Korean Community Services here. Still, the bloodshed last month "came as a great shock to all Korean families," he says. "It just gave us this chilled feeling."
According to the 2000 Census, 78% of the 1.2 million Korean-Americans counted that year were immigrants. Korean-born fathers struggle silently to meet social expectations that "they'll work hard to get rich in business and their kids will succeed," says David Cha, 30, a youth pastor at Oriental Mission Church here.
'Shame and guilt'
"If things don't fall into place in that magic formula, there's a lot of shame and guilt," Cha says. "The culture says the parents must provide for their kids. Suicidally, they may think, 'I'm not going to be a fit parent. No one will be left to care for the kids, so I'm going to take them with me.' "
The April incidents:
�Prosecutors allege Dae Kwon Yun, 54, was distraught after his garment-manufacturing business failed and his wife filed for divorce. He allegedly locked himself, daughter Ashley, 11, and son Alexander, 10, in his SUV and set it afire. Yun stumbled out. The children died. Yun, still hospitalized with burns, has been charged with murder.
�Bong Joo Lee, 40, shot and killed his 5-year-old daughter, Iris, then killed himself, says Sgt. Bill Megenney of the Fontana, Calif., police. Lee had been unemployed and owed a $200,000 gambling debt, Megenney says.
�Sang In Kim, 55, fatally shot his wife, Young Ok, 50, and their son, Matthew, 8, and wounded their 16-year-old daughter before killing himself. Police haven't disclosed a motive.
In reaction, the Korean American Family Service Center started a telephone hotline that is getting "two or three calls a day from families asking about some help and prevention," executive director Peter Chang says. At a news conference, Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Burke advised immigrants that by dialing 211 they can get foreign-language referrals to social services. (Dialing 211 for referrals is available in six California counties, parts of 37 other states and Washington, D.C.)
In churchgoing Koreatown, some social service providers are criticizing pastors for ignoring domestic violence. "One of our problems is that the church wants to take care of the church stuff, not the community stuff," Chang says.
Role-reversal
Violence isn't the pastors' fault, Kim says. "By long custom in Korea, there is a lack of opening yourself up to other people," he says.
Other Asian-American groups have worked to shore up community mental-health services after incidents like these:
�Charles Loo, 50, a wealthy businessman who had emigrated in 1995 from Singapore, died in May 2005 while on life support after he tried to hang himself in the San Mateo County, Calif., jail. Loo was awaiting trial on a charge of fatally stabbing his 17-year-old son before stabbing himself. Loo's mother told the Oakland Tribune he had never learned English, had no friends and felt "isolated."
�Four Filipinos were found dead in a San Francisco murder-suicide in 1999. Lorenzo Silva, 62, shot three neighbors he was friends with, police say. Silva had been diagnosed with cancer and his wife had returned to the Philippines, police say. Two murder-suicides in Seattle during the 1990s involved Filipino couples.
�Police records show at least nine Hmong murder-suicides involving spouses or children since 1998. In Oshkosh, Wis., on April 5, Yang Pao Lo, 37, fatally shot his wife, Zia Yang, 36, who wanted a divorce. During an 11-hour standoff with SWAT teams, the man killed himself, police say. The couple had seven children, ages 4 to 17. In St. Paul in February, Kou Khang, 30, fatally stabbed his wife, Joane, 25, and himself.
In Hmong communities, spousal violence is "this ongoing, rampant issue that people just don't want to deal with," says Doua Thor, who is Hmong and executive director of the Washington-based Southeast Asia Action Resource Center. "There needs to be more community discussion on violence."
Role-reversal and loss of status for men are frequent problems as women quickly learn English and take over family finances, Lai-Bitker says. "It seems to be easier for females to adjust, to get jobs."
A Ford Foundation study in 2002 blamed the Hmong killings on "the changed economic status of some Hmong women and the violent backlash by men who feel they have 'lost control' of their women. ... Men use suicide killings as a weapon to keep their wives in line by ... threatening: 'If you don't behave, the whole family will die.' "
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Mashimaro

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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| chapter 87259 of Korean's do the darndest things |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Role-reversal and loss of status for men are frequent problems as women quickly learn English and take over family finances, Lai-Bitker says. "It seems to be easier for females to adjust, to get jobs." |
Or, white guys just love hiring Asian women. |
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yesnoyesyesno

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Crazy Ajoshis in Los Angeles |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-17-koreatown_x.htm
L.A. confronts Asian family abuse
Posted 5/17/2006 11:15 PM ET
By Martin Kasindorf, USA TODAY
LOS ANGELES � Seven deaths within one week in spasms of family violence have plunged this city's Koreatown into questioning its immigrant culture of stoically bearing the stresses of adjusting to American life.
Three Korean-born men allegedly killed spouses or children, and in two cases killed themselves, police reports say. The killings April 2-9 echo murder-suicides in recent years among immigrant Chinese and Filipinos in California and among Laotian Hmong refugees in California, Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Mental health professionals are searching for explanations. Many say that traditional Asian values of patriarchy and reticence may make these immigrant families more vulnerable to murder and suicide when they encounter setbacks than groups from other countries.
Among fathers emigrating from Asia, "there's a mentality of, 'If I'm a failure, I make my whole family look bad, and we're all in this together, for better or for worse,' " says Helen Hsu, a psychologist with Asian Community Mental Health Services in Oakland. "And there's a huge social stigma in a man seeking help, telling people he's having family problems or he's depressed."
In most Asian cultures, "people try to deal with problems ourselves or within the family," says Alice Lai-Bitker, a Chinese-American and a member of the Alameda County, Calif., Board of Supervisors. "If you're an immigrant, you have added stress. Some of the populations come from war-torn countries. Cambodians, Laotians, Hmong had tremendous trauma before they got here."
Family violence has been a problem in Asian-American immigrant neighborhoods for years, says Howard Kim, director of Korean Community Services here. Still, the bloodshed last month "came as a great shock to all Korean families," he says. "It just gave us this chilled feeling."
According to the 2000 Census, 78% of the 1.2 million Korean-Americans counted that year were immigrants. Korean-born fathers struggle silently to meet social expectations that "they'll work hard to get rich in business and their kids will succeed," says David Cha, 30, a youth pastor at Oriental Mission Church here.
'Shame and guilt'
"If things don't fall into place in that magic formula, there's a lot of shame and guilt," Cha says. "The culture says the parents must provide for their kids. Suicidally, they may think, 'I'm not going to be a fit parent. No one will be left to care for the kids, so I'm going to take them with me.' "
The April incidents:
�Prosecutors allege Dae Kwon Yun, 54, was distraught after his garment-manufacturing business failed and his wife filed for divorce. He allegedly locked himself, daughter Ashley, 11, and son Alexander, 10, in his SUV and set it afire. Yun stumbled out. The children died. Yun, still hospitalized with burns, has been charged with murder.
�Bong Joo Lee, 40, shot and killed his 5-year-old daughter, Iris, then killed himself, says Sgt. Bill Megenney of the Fontana, Calif., police. Lee had been unemployed and owed a $200,000 gambling debt, Megenney says.
�Sang In Kim, 55, fatally shot his wife, Young Ok, 50, and their son, Matthew, 8, and wounded their 16-year-old daughter before killing himself. Police haven't disclosed a motive.
In reaction, the Korean American Family Service Center started a telephone hotline that is getting "two or three calls a day from families asking about some help and prevention," executive director Peter Chang says. At a news conference, Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne Burke advised immigrants that by dialing 211 they can get foreign-language referrals to social services. (Dialing 211 for referrals is available in six California counties, parts of 37 other states and Washington, D.C.)
In churchgoing Koreatown, some social service providers are criticizing pastors for ignoring domestic violence. "One of our problems is that the church wants to take care of the church stuff, not the community stuff," Chang says.
Role-reversal
Violence isn't the pastors' fault, Kim says. "By long custom in Korea, there is a lack of opening yourself up to other people," he says.
Other Asian-American groups have worked to shore up community mental-health services after incidents like these:
�Charles Loo, 50, a wealthy businessman who had emigrated in 1995 from Singapore, died in May 2005 while on life support after he tried to hang himself in the San Mateo County, Calif., jail. Loo was awaiting trial on a charge of fatally stabbing his 17-year-old son before stabbing himself. Loo's mother told the Oakland Tribune he had never learned English, had no friends and felt "isolated."
�Four Filipinos were found dead in a San Francisco murder-suicide in 1999. Lorenzo Silva, 62, shot three neighbors he was friends with, police say. Silva had been diagnosed with cancer and his wife had returned to the Philippines, police say. Two murder-suicides in Seattle during the 1990s involved Filipino couples.
�Police records show at least nine Hmong murder-suicides involving spouses or children since 1998. In Oshkosh, Wis., on April 5, Yang Pao Lo, 37, fatally shot his wife, Zia Yang, 36, who wanted a divorce. During an 11-hour standoff with SWAT teams, the man killed himself, police say. The couple had seven children, ages 4 to 17. In St. Paul in February, Kou Khang, 30, fatally stabbed his wife, Joane, 25, and himself.
In Hmong communities, spousal violence is "this ongoing, rampant issue that people just don't want to deal with," says Doua Thor, who is Hmong and executive director of the Washington-based Southeast Asia Action Resource Center. "There needs to be more community discussion on violence."
Role-reversal and loss of status for men are frequent problems as women quickly learn English and take over family finances, Lai-Bitker says. "It seems to be easier for females to adjust, to get jobs."
A Ford Foundation study in 2002 blamed the Hmong killings on "the changed economic status of some Hmong women and the violent backlash by men who feel they have 'lost control' of their women. ... Men use suicide killings as a weapon to keep their wives in line by ... threatening: 'If you don't behave, the whole family will die.' "
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yeah and what about the army of non-asians who also partake in domestic violence, what's the explaination for that. you get a few nut jobs who kill their wives and a whole ethnic community gets spotlighted for it? this kind of mentality is idiotic. and worst are those in said ethnic community who say things like "well in our community we..." speak for yourself, I have nothing to do with Dae Kwon or Bong Joo. the only community I belong to is the one consisting of Me, Myself, and I |
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pocketfluff

Joined: 30 May 2006 Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Role-reversal and loss of status for men are frequent problems as women quickly learn English and take over family finances, Lai-Bitker says. "It seems to be easier for females to adjust, to get jobs." |
Or, white guys just love hiring Asian women. |
I'm sure you were just being cheeky, but that quote from the article is very true. My parents are living proof as well. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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That's just incredibly sad to hear. Living in Korea, and seeing the successes this country has had, but also sensing and knowing that there
are things that just aren't right going on, then seeing the end result of
some of these social problems. In Korea's mad push for prosperity, inevitibly what they value is clearly money. Now, hopefully, the push towards becoming a more human, less male-dominated, and more diverse society will start to happen, sooner than later. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| In Korea's mad push for prosperity, inevitibly what they value is clearly money. Now, hopefully, the push towards becoming a more human, less male-dominated, and more diverse society will start to happen, sooner than later. |
I'm with you on the importance of less male domination and more diversity, but not with the part about a love of money somehow being at odds with being more 'human'. In fact, it's where the love of money is greatest that we see the most significant improvements in standard of living (Britain after the Industrial Revolution, Japan during the Meiji period, etcetera).
I had most of a soapbox speech written about why a nation's drive for prosperity and drive for a high standard of living (I'm assuming of course this is what you mean by Korea's need to be "more human", but correct me if I'm wrong) are not mutually exclusive goals, but instead I'll just quote Atlas Shrugged because, well, Rand puts it much better than I ever can or could:
"So you think money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and mean able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
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But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at he expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made- before it can be looted or mooched- made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability.
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Or did you say that it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men... The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.
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Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another- their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
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If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose- because it contains all others- the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other langugage or nation had ever used these words before; men had always though of wealth as a static quantity-to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained by a favour. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality." |
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