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seattlespew
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 Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: Every Single Time - Racial Profiling at Incheon Airport |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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i'm white and i've never been selected.. maybe you just look dodgy  |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Could be the beard, dude. Anytime I've grown out a goatee or even light scruff, I get "Osama" or "Teh-ruh-bum" from my students. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I always get stopped and searched on my way back INTO the US.
I must be even creepier. 
They once asked what was on a computer diskette in my bag.
"um. not sure, but I hope it's my resume."
30 minutes later they let me go. I got home and checked. All PORN! |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| My aunt is visiting from the Netherlands. She just a nice Dutch lady. She got the full run-down upon entering the US--including fingerprint. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I've never been checked, or even seen anybody checked. This shocks me because I seem to give border-guards on the Canada/US line the heebie-jeebies. |
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europe2seoul
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| My aunt is visiting from the Netherlands. She just a nice Dutch lady. She got the full run-down upon entering the US--including fingerprint. |
Sure. Since long time ago non-US citizens entering US have to leave fingerprints and also get their pic taken. Also have to write their address down and get asked many questions. To get visa, u have to prove u have enough money for each day ($100/day).
If u are a student u can't work, except part-time in major and that after 9 months of studying. Getting a working visa H1-B is difficult because of yearly quotas. And its valid for 3 years then it can be extended for next 3 years and after that you gotta pack and go home.
Extending working visa can only be done outside US in your native country (before you could go to Canada or Mexico) and there is no guarantee it will really be extended - they can deny it and it happens.
So, basically a "foreinger" that got BS and MS education in US, got OPT permit (1-year working in US) and then doing that got H1-B and stuff....at the end of all that, spening 10-12 years in US if u loose the job you gotta get out in 1 week. So, in 10-12 years of paying taxes, contributing to the US society as highly educated profesional you are nothing. And illegeal immigrants jumping over the border get amnesty and green cards and they can't even speak English.
To get permanent residency, company has to sponsor for the green card while on H1-B. Other way is to marry a US citizen.
So many guys here complain about working visas in Korea, extending them, getting screened at the airports. Guys, your countries do it to just not to you. And Korea has more relaxed rules about all of that. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Every Single Time - Racial Profiling at Incheon Airport |
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I have lived in Korea now for 1 year and 2 months. During that time I have flown out of the country and come back exactly five times.
You know how at Incheon they have the extra 'random' checks before you board an international flight? I mean AFTER you have gone through airport security and AFTER you have handed in your boarding pass, right in front of the aircraft in the jetway they have stations and 'randomly' check people.
A Boeing 747 seats about 500 people. There are two checking stations, and I estimate it takes about 3 minutes to run the magic wand over someone and go through their carry-on luggage. It takes about 30 minutes to board the plane. So, each station can check about 10 people, for a total of 20 checked out of 500. That means any passenger has a 20/500 chance of being 'randomly' selected from the line, or 4%.
I have been selected five times in a row. I am a white guy.
So, what are the chances? The chances that I was randomly pulled out of the line 5 times in a row are approximately .04^5 = .00001%!
Each time the guys eye me as I come down the escalator and go out of their way to pull me out of the line, with 10 Korean people in front of me and a whole line of Korean people behind me. It makes me wonder, do I appear that scary? I have a trimmed beard and am usually wearing a suit or other nice clothes. No tatoos (showing), no piercings, nothing that I could expect would engender prejudice.
<Sigh> Wherever you go, people are more inclined to trust people that look like themselves, and distrust others. |
It is actually pretty common to get pulled out and checked on flights going to the US.
I have been double checked everytime I board a US carrier outside the US or a US bound flight.
However on ANY other flight (more than 40 in the last 5 years) in the I have NEVER been stopped, checked or bothered in any way.
For the record, I have visible military tats on both arms and a goatee. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew you had a beard before I even read that part. Facial hair looks shifty to Koreans. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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In about 20 flights to, from and within USA, I have only escaped the secondary security search once.
I have never had a secondary search at Incheon immediatley prior to boarding - indeed, I do not recall ever having seen one!
Europe2Seoul: I agree 100% and have long bitched back at (US) people here who bitch about Korean immigration. Here is a cinch.
Having said that, and although I could get a US green card, there is no way on earth I am gonna let Uncle Sam squeeze tax from my overseas earnings. I shall continue just to slide in under the radar for a visit of a few weeks and suffer the minor indignity of being fingerprinted and photographed a couple of times a year. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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i've never been checked by korean immi a single time.
going to the US...i've never not been pulled over. one flight on a US airliner, i made 3 stoppovers and was selected for full random checks at each stoppover. they searched every possible seam in my carry on, and even made me take my socks off.
flying to or through the US is a headache. |
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seattlespew
Joined: 01 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| casey's moon wrote: |
| I knew you had a beard before I even read that part. Facial hair looks shifty to Koreans. |
Yeah, that's why bearded Korean dudes are on all the currency. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
| i've never been checked by korean immi a single time. |
Korean immigration/customs is stricter or less strict depending on the flight you arrive in on. If you arrive out of, say, Tashkent on Uzbekistan Airways, you will be subjected to longer waits, x-ray examinations, etc. on entry to Korea than you would if you arrived on a flight out of SFO on United. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| I am often given extra scrutiny in the US but have never been given a second look in Korea. |
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