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diliemma



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:25 am    Post subject: "Native" English speaker? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I am hoping to teach English in Korea, but I noticed that all the reputable schools that I look at require you to be a "native" English speaker. What does this mean?

I was not born in an English-speaking country. However, I am a Canadian citizen and have been living here for over 10 years, and probably speak better than many "native" speakers. (And yes, I am caucasian, which I know helps) Is this ok?? Will they still hire me??

I also intend to get my TESOL certification first. I know many places don't require it, only requiring a university degree, but I don't think my degree in biochemistry is going to lend much credibility to my English-teaching abilities. Smile

Thank you!!
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: "Native" English speaker? Reply with quote

diliemma wrote:

I was not born in an English-speaking country. However, I am a Canadian citizen and have been living here for over 10 years, and probably speak better than many "native" speakers. (And yes, I am caucasian, which I know helps) Is this ok?? Will they still hire me??


Where did you go to college?
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm a black dog and I can find work easily, & my first language is doglish - not sure what your problem in finding a job would be...
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you have a Canadian passport and a university diploma from an English-speaking country, you're set to go.
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: "Native" English speaker? Reply with quote

diliemma wrote:

I was not born in an English-speaking country. However, I am a Canadian citizen and have been living here for over 10 years, and probably speak better than many "native"!


Canadians can't speak english Razz It's mostly grunting and pointing isn't it?

<*native* speaker just means that english is your first language.>
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you from? Do you have a noticeable accent?

If no, just say you're a native speaker. No one will be able to tell the difference. Sometimes I do different accents for my more advanced students and they say it doesn't even sound different.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Where are you from? Do you have a noticeable accent?

If no, just say you're a native speaker. No one will be able to tell the difference. Sometimes I do different accents for my more advanced students and they say it doesn't even sound different.


maybe you just suck at doing accents? ㅋㅋㅋ
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:


maybe you just suck at doing accents? ㅋㅋㅋ


no, they can't tell the difference. Anytime I come back from NZ my accent is really strong and nobody notices.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am Chinese, born in Hong Kong but have a British passport.

I get work very easily... it helps I have a Masters from the Uni of London, though.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are a Canadian citizen you can be hired. I used to work with a woman who grew up in Russia and became a Canadian citizen as a teen.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
native* speaker just means that english is your first language.>


Native speaker does not imply that it is your first language. For most people it is but some people are even native speakers of two languages.

Native means:INBORN, INNATE <native talents>

It is believed that if a child moves to a certain country they can pick up native characteristics of a language until the critical period which is around 12-13 years old. I know a Columbian child who moved to the US at the age of eight and now speaks like any other American child.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where are you from? Do you have a noticeable accent?

If no, just say you're a native speaker. No one will be able to tell the difference. Sometimes I do different accents for my more advanced students and they say it doesn't even sound different.


Depends if you are being interviewed by a native speaker or a Korean. Most Korean's can't tell the difference.
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jeffusensei



Joined: 27 Jan 2004
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: natively speaking Reply with quote

Depending on where you were born, you MAY have trouble at the consulate when you finally go for your visa. Canada still writes your place of birth on the passport and if it's not a nice white place like Western Europe, you could have some explaining to do. A couple of our teachers born outside of Canada but fully Canadian citizens were given the third degree. The Toronto consulate seems particularly bad.

I think the whole "native speaker" system is hugely problematic. First of all, I've met plenty of non-native speakers whose command of the English language is much greater than that of so-called "native" speakers. It also reduces the diversity of teachers we are able to hire and thus have the students interact with and learn from. Finally, it sets up a system where people can study English as much as they want but they'll NEVER be a native speaker ~ I can't think of a more demotivating factor than that! I understand the logic behind the rule but it is seriously flawed.


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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Canadians can't speak english It's mostly grunting and pointing isn't it?"

Cerriowen. I think that's a really crappy thing to say. It shows your social and cultural ignorance. FYI! We have been using sticks to scratch symbols in the dirt for at least thirty times the snow falling. Grunt and point. BAH!!!
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and what about the yellow snow codes we've picked up from the inuit.

I do pee a pretty darn good SOS pattern, don't ya know. Laughing
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