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cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/22/cheney/index.html

I am at ends with this. I think it was wrong for The U.S. to go in the first place. If we pull out now, who will clean up the mess? Is there even a mess to clean up? Are we the mess?

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Here's a hint:

Who cleaned up when the US pulled out of Vietnam?

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Some Waygug-in: Iraq is not analogous to Vietnam.

Please tell us, though, how you know what you implicitly claim to know about postwar Vietnam and its recovery and reconstruction.

Octavius Hite · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject:

What we need is a real plan where America redresses its mistakes not just to Iraq but to the world at large.

First, change the government. The Republicans must be thrown out of power and a new president from another party must be elected so we'll be waiting to 2008 at the very least.

That new presdident (I'm hoping for Wes Clark) should go to the UN and make an apology for Bush's lies and half truths and BS. He should then say demand that a new (true) multinational UN force be deployed and that the US and Britain will pay for the entire cost. The US and Britain will also pay any money necessary to rebuild the country. The US will also relenquish its new "super bases" its building to the UN and promise not to stay long term.

He should then double ort triple the number of troops into Afghanistan and take care of buisness there.

Thats just a start but certainly a better idea than anything the Republicans or Democrats have come up with.

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

I think that it is the lesser of all evils -- to pull out.

Yes, won't be all roses petals and dancing in the street after the Americans pull out but it is far better than what is happening right now.

Let Afghanistan be an example. Everyone said , even after the Soviets said they would pull out in 6 months, they never would, couldn't !!!
But to their credit they did, right on the date set, last tank out.

CIA celebrated and the Taliban began moving in........wasn't pretty, wasn't dancing in the street BUT it was far better than a foreign invader bombing the place to smithereens and all the mutual killing , refugees etc....that had taken place........normalization took time and will take time in Iraq, now given the dynamics.

Also in Afghanistan, I'm sure a lot of lives were saved just by the poppies that weren't cultivated, post Soviets............

America can and must pull out. Yet , you will still have so many arguing the sky will fall....etc.....As Octavius rightly points out, won't happen with Bush unfortunately. Why???? The guy and his guys just would never see they could have possibly erred. They can't ever see self WRONG -- a truly horrific mindset in those that control such vast power...........So sad and so frightening...

DD

nautilus · Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

Its good that the US is there. There are positive signs from iraq. With persistence, you could be looking at a new country emerging in a few years.

Problem is I think that America will be forced to pull out because they will have to devote resources to dealing with other hotspots, possibly Iran for example.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Actually, the US is 'pulling out.' We are going to witness a gradual drawdown of forces. The Armed Forces are stretched thin, and America's influence over Iraq is waning due to the developments in the political process (call them a success or failure if you want, I'll call the outlook still up in the air).

Will the U.S. pull out completely? Did the U.S. pull out of Germany completely? Has Germany completed its reconstruction and unification by now? What about Japan? Has Japan joined the community of great nations yet?

The U.S. will be there for decades. Wouldn't you? They want forces and bases in the area, and one wonders if Iraqis (I mean the federalists in the government, not the Sunnis in the insurgency) are going to mind terribly as long as the U.S. stays away from daily policing.

The fact is, that outside of their detainment policy and treatment of prisoners, the US is getting their act together in Iraq. It just so happens the U.S. is at the pull-out stage.

Iraq is not like Vietnam in at least one respect. American troops will be in Iraq for at least thirty-some years, and they won't abandon their embassy.

TheUrbanMyth · Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired

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SPINOZA · Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul

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ilovebdt · Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul

Well, now they're reporting that WMD have been found in Iraq (Fox Video). Maybe it's not a good idea, since it legitimizes their being there?

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

Did you ever really mean it when you said you would pull out? I mean, really mean it?

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

After watching that and posting earlier, I had the nagging feeling there wa something more to say about it, but couldn't put my finger on it. And then, epiphany!

She talks like an astrologer: Ramblings vague enough that just about anyone can insert the paranoid fantasy of the day into any slot. IGTG would love it. Deep secret un-named evil taking over from within...

I half expected a spook to jump out from behind a tree and shout 'BOO!' at me.