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From a foreigner to all other foreigners.....
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject: From a foreigner to all other foreigners..... Reply with quote

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/archives/result_contents.asp?id=200606210053&query=foreign

Having recruited and worked with many teachers over the years in different cities of Korea, I have seen a great deal of capable and talented teachers, but also poor quality ones. Despite what one is led to believe, I would say that only 10-15 percent of the foreign teacher community is the real problem. But unfortunately, those bad apples make it more and more difficult for the rest of us to live and work in Korea. As a result, the media and government's overreaction to the problem is creating problems unto itself.
The Korean media plays up foreign teacher indiscretions, but plays down those same indiscretions if the teacher happens to be a kyopo, or a Korean teacher. Things like this do not make foreign teachers feel very welcome in Korea. The Korean government has implemented more even more restrictive hiring processes for foreign teachers, yet has done very little to try to deal with the illegal practices of school owners that are harmful to foreigners. These practices include firing a teacher in the final month of a contract, so the school can avoid paying severance bonus. These things can and do wear a teacher down.

Because Korea is perceived as not being very friendly to foreigners compared to many other countries, this is causing more and more qualified teachers to look elsewhere. There are other ESL markets and if Korea wants to remain competitive in its English education initiatives, it should pay close attention to the actions of its neighbors with thriving ESL industries, notably China and Japan.

Whereas Korea's ESL industry is worth an estimated $3 billion a year, China's English education industry is believed to be worth $60 billion a year, and it's starting to show. Two years ago, foreign teachers in China were getting the same type of benefits as teachers in Korea, but their salaries were still 60-70 percent lower. Now, it's becoming increasingly common to hear of teachers leaving Korea to take jobs in China that have salaries which are 100-150 percent of their former salaries in Korea. Another major draw to China is their relaxed hiring requirements. Many schools, even universities advertise that they are looking for foreign teachers between the ages of 20-60 years old, with or without a university degree. In Korea, not only is the hiring more restrictive, but the preferred hiring standard among most English establishments is females between the ages of 24-30 and everyone must not only have a university degree, but must also go to the inconvenience of providing original degrees plus the original university transcripts that are sealed in an unopened envelope and signed by the university's registrar or someone for the university's office. Many universities don't even permit that. Nevertheless, this is Korea's requirement and is a big reason why there is an increasing teacher attrition moving to China, Japan, and even Vietnam, where teacher compensation is also rapidly increasing.

The problems that need to be addressed are not limited to the teachers. There are a lot of other internal problems within the English education industry here that need to get looked at and overhauled. And by taking a look at what has worked well in other countries, Korea's ESL industry can be easily improved for everyone, by making some simple decisions.

Firstly, stop blind hiring teachers. Korean schools and recruiters hire teachers after a brief long-distance telephone interview and a quick glance at their picture and resume. This, without question, is the biggest reason for poor hiring practices. In Japan, almost all schools require teachers to be in Japan, prior to hiring. Japanese schools are increasingly asking prospective teachers to demonstrate their teaching ability by having them give a sample lesson during the job interview. This helps measure what one can expect from them, when it matters the most.

The Hong Kong ESL market is well-known among teachers for having some of the most qualified and talented English teachers in Asia. Why? Because they require teaching certification from everybody. While they do require everyone to have a degree, they are increasingly requiring teachers to have teaching certifications such as TESOL, CELTA, or PGCE teaching certificates.

The role of recruiters also needs to be expanded. Traditionally, recruiters are paid an upfront fee of $1,000-$2,000 for introducing a teacher and then they are out of the picture. Unfortunately, this does not offer any incentive for recruiters to find a quality teacher. Perhaps a smaller upfront fee and then an additional $100 a month for the rest of the time that the teacher remains employed would encourage recruiters to be more selective.

Taking these steps will also expand the ESL industry and make it a larger fixture in the economy, as it will reduce the need for parents to send their children overseas to receive quality English education.

(www.galbijim.com)


By Craig White

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2006.06.21

It's about time!!!


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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: From a foreigner to all other foreigners..... Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:

I saw it's about time!!!


Then why did you wait til the one day you decided to read the newspaper(high on crack caffeine, as usual) to say so?

I'm sorry, this has to be done: please calm the freak down, Cubanlord.


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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahah...oops. Embarassed fixed it
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im rooting for the Chinese EFL industrt to grow BIG TIME. if that pulls 70% of the foreigners in Korea to Cjina that will lave a lot of very good jobs for me:)
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: From a foreigner to all other foreigners..... Reply with quote

flotsam wrote:


Then why did you wait til the one day you decided to read the newspaper(high on crack caffeine, as usual) to say so?

I'm sorry, this has to be done: please calm the freak down, Cubanlord.


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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps when Korea has lost all its teachers, they'll consider printing retractions for all the anti-foreigner stories they made up in the media.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the author of the article in the OP wrote:
Firstly, stop blind hiring teachers. Korean schools and recruiters hire teachers after a brief long-distance telephone interview and a quick glance at their picture and resume. This, without question, is the biggest reason for poor hiring practices. In Japan, almost all schools require teachers to be in Japan, prior to hiring.


Nope. The biggest chains in Japan - Nova, Geos, AEON - hire extensively from outside of Japan. I was interviewed by two of them. I turned them down for different reasons and came here, and Korea's been good to me. Granted Japan's probably a more interesting place to live though.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Perhaps when Korea has lost all its teachers, they'll consider printing retractions for all the anti-foreigner stories they made up in the media.


I hope your right, however I think hell will freeze over before the Korean media will admit they were wrong.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
the author of the article in the OP wrote:
Firstly, stop blind hiring teachers. Korean schools and recruiters hire teachers after a brief long-distance telephone interview and a quick glance at their picture and resume. This, without question, is the biggest reason for poor hiring practices. In Japan, almost all schools require teachers to be in Japan, prior to hiring.


Nope. The biggest chains in Japan - Nova, Geos, AEON - hire extensively from outside of Japan. I was interviewed by two of them. I turned them down for different reasons and came here, and Korea's been good to me. Granted Japan's probably a more interesting place to live though.


I was the author, and the Japan bit was condensed by the editor due to its length. I actually referenced about how the big chains often go overseas to do job fairs and have face-to-face interviews. Something that Korea needs to get into the act of, rather than playing Russian Roulette with 10 minute phone interviews. But we couldn't fit it all in the article.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then colour me a ten-percenter. And I ain't goin' nowhere.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope your right, however I think hell will freeze over before the Korean media will admit they were wrong.


I would say...

I hope your right, however I think hell will freeze over before the Media will admit they were wrong.

But thats just me...

As for Chronics point about face to face interviews...he is right.

But Korea already does this. Some international schools and school boards attend various international job fairs abroad and have in person interviews.

So does EPIK.

YBM is thinking of getting the act as well and has plans to attend a couple of fairs in 2007.

Most hakwons however do not have the means to do this ( typically attendence to a fair costs upwards of 5000$ + travel and lodging expenses and sometimes renting offices for interviews + paying the interviewers and employees)....

The other solution is to open offices in western countries which would be a good plan....
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Im rooting for the Chinese EFL industrt to grow BIG TIME. if that pulls 70% of the foreigners in Korea to Cjina that will lave a lot of very good jobs for me:)


You are crazy if you believe that the Chinese would treat you better. Some people think that Koreans stare, ha go to anywhere in China outside of Beijing or Shanghai.
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: From a foreigner to all other foreigners..... Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
flotsam wrote:


Then why did you wait til the one day you decided to read the newspaper(high on crack caffeine, as usual) to say so?

I'm sorry, this has to be done: please calm the freak down, Cubanlord.




"Canadian Icon Contemplates La Brea Waya Outta This Here Cruel World"

Tabloid news isn't very useful either. Take the rest of the week off, D.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Quote:
Im rooting for the Chinese EFL industrt to grow BIG TIME. if that pulls 70% of the foreigners in Korea to Cjina that will lave a lot of very good jobs for me:)


You are crazy if you believe that the Chinese would treat you better. Some people think that Koreans stare, ha go to anywhere in China outside of Beijing or Shanghai.


Uggh, China. Hope others can go there and leave the rest of us the jobs in Korea! Wink
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JZer



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention people trying to rip you off all the time in China. Until the average person in China earn similar wages as Koreans, people will trying to make as much as they can off of the preceived rich westerners.
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