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Junior
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 Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: is dave's a PR disaster waiting to happen? |
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How would Koreans react if they knew most foreigners are happy they lost the world cup game?
I think this is a fairly serious thing to consider when posting.
The number of Koreans able to read this site is growing, and will only increase as the years go by. I already know a few directors and supervisors who read it occasionally, having found it through advertising job vacancies.
At some point people here will have to censor their own posts, develop a more positive attitude to korea, or leave. Because if 5 or even 10% of koreans become good enough at english to read this forum, there could be even more suspicion and dislike of foreigners directed our way.
Whats the solution? i agree foreigners here need somewhere to vent as they adjust to a different society, but surely this forum is a PR disaster waiting to happen?
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I've thought about this too. It might actually be an eye opening experience. Sadly, like the world cup, they probably won't be able to analyse anything written here and try to understand where most of these feelings come from. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Merlyn wrote: |
| Yeah, I've thought about this too. It might actually be an eye opening experience. Sadly, like the world cup, they probably won't be able to analyse anything written here and try to understand where most of these feelings come from. |
Most koreans that have travelled outside the country and are fluent in English are fairly objective, and can laugh at or at least rationalise the viewpoints of foreigners.
its the rest that we should be worrying about. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Overall, I think Dave Sperling does a great job. Things get done when brought to his attention.  |
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SuperFly
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Ten years ago, a couple of guys that I ran around with took off their clothers at a soccer match between Korea and Jamaica. All they (we) wore was a Jamaican flag on our backs as they ran the feild with only minutes to go in the last half of the game. The refs were so surprised that they didn't know what to do. Then the fans started cheering!
It was great. They didn't give two shits that four weaguks (who were sitting in the red devil section with Jamacian flags draped over their bodies) were cheering for the other side. It was all part of the good fun they were having....
After the game, the red devil section carried us out of Chamshil stadium past the cops who were trying to nab us for questioning and right on out to the parking lot where they cheered us on and dropped us in saftey by the car lot. We made our escape in a FORD EXPLORER with the kids chasing us down the street singing and chanting. It was great fun.
And that's the way it happened in the summer of 1998. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
Ten years ago, a couple of guys that I ran around with took off their clothers at a soccer match between Korea and Jamaica. All they (we) wore was a Jamaican flag on our backs as they ran the feild with only minutes to go in the last half of the game. The refs were so surprised that they didn't know what to do. Then the fans started cheering!
It was great. They didn't give two *beep* that four weaguks (who were sitting in the red devil section with Jamacian flags draped over their bodies) were cheering for the other side. It was all part of the good fun they were having....
After the game, the red devil section carried us out of Chamshil stadium past the cops who were trying to nab us for questioning and right on out to the parking lot where they cheered us on and dropped us in saftey by the car lot. We made our escape in a FORD EXPLORER with the kids chasing us down the street singing and chanting. It was great fun.
And that's the way it happened in the summer of 1998. |
Who da man?
YOU da man dog... |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Who cares what anyone thinks if people are voicing their opinion. There's nothing obscene here and the mods try to make sure there's no racist crap either. Cultural criticism is perfectly justifiable, and the thought of worrying about what some Koreans might think about what soccer teams or results you like is ridiculous.
If it comes to having to self censor there're always other sites to go to. You know where they are. Freedom of fuckin speech baby! Well, almost. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
Ten years ago, a couple of guys that I ran around with took off their clothers at a soccer match between Korea and Jamaica. All they (we) wore was a Jamaican flag on our backs as they ran the feild with only minutes to go in the last half of the game. The refs were so surprised that they didn't know what to do. Then the fans started cheering!
It was great. They didn't give two *beep* that four weaguks (who were sitting in the red devil section with Jamacian flags draped over their bodies) were cheering for the other side. It was all part of the good fun they were having....
After the game, the red devil section carried us out of Chamshil stadium past the cops who were trying to nab us for questioning and right on out to the parking lot where they cheered us on and dropped us in saftey by the car lot. We made our escape in a FORD EXPLORER with the kids chasing us down the street singing and chanting. It was great fun.
And that's the way it happened in the summer of 1998. |
I take it Korea won the game, right?
Sparkles*_* |
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SuperFly
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Billy Pilgrim
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: Re: is dave's a PR disaster waiting to happen? |
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| Junior wrote: |
How would Koreans react if they knew most foreigners are happy they lost the world cup game?
I think this is a fairly serious thing to consider when posting.
The number of Koreans able to read this site is growing, and will only increase as the years go by. I already know a few directors and supervisors who read it occasionally, having found it through advertising job vacancies.
At some point people here will have to censor their own posts, develop a more positive attitude to korea, or leave. Because if 5 or even 10% of koreans become good enough at english to read this forum, there could be even more suspicion and dislike of foreigners directed our way.
Whats the solution? i agree foreigners here need somewhere to vent as they adjust to a different society, but surely this forum is a PR disaster waiting to happen? |
If they get worked up by the actions of a few on here, then they are just as bad as the guys on here doing the same thing with them.
Free speech and all that. Post what you want. Just try to be intelligent. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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I really don't think most foreigners here are happy Korea lost. I think most of us don't care. Well. the Americans anyways. We don't like soccer anyways.
A few bitter folks like to rub it in is all. Whatever makes them happy, even if it is delighting in the unhappiness of others. It's the banality of humaity. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: Re: is dave's a PR disaster waiting to happen? |
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| Billy Pilgrim wrote: |
| Free speech and all that. Post what you want. Just try to be intelligent. |
Ouch.
That'd create some space. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it's quite as big a deal as that, Junior, but it's not unworthy of consideration. Who are all these freaks? That's what I wanna know. All the expats I've met in real life have been nice, contented people. And when I go to Itaewon and talk to total strangers they're always very nice, even the military guys. Korea doesn't have the liberal, multicultural institutions that we have in our countries, but the briefest thought reveals that that is like comparing roast beef with the Eifel Tower. We've had centuries of progress and reform to get it right; Korea is an overnight economic success and is still rather a backward country in many ways. That said, foreigners and Koreans appear, on the face of it, to have a pretty good relationship, which is more than can be said for relations between indigenous people and foreign workers in English-speaking countries. You meet expats - they're all nice. You meet and teach Korean kids - they're mostly nice. You meet their parents - they're all nice. We're all frightfully normal people in this funny little country. A school with a foreign teacher is a selling point, not bad thing. And then you read Dave's ESL cafe and it's like looking into a freakish dimension of total mongs. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it's quite as big a deal as that, Junior, but it's not unworthy of consideration. Who are all these freaks? That's what I wanna know. All the expats I've met in real life have been nice, contented people. And when I go to Itaewon and talk to total strangers they're always very nice, even the military guys. Korea doesn't have the liberal, multicultural institutions that we have in our countries, but the briefest thought reveals that that is like comparing roast beef with the Eifel Tower. We've had centuries of progress and reform to get it right; Korea is an overnight economic success and is still rather a backward country in many ways. That said, foreigners and Koreans appear, on the face of it, to have a pretty good relationship, which is more than can be said for relations between indigenous people and foreign workers in English-speaking countries. You meet expats - they're all nice. You meet and teach Korean kids - they're mostly nice. You meet their parents - they're all nice. We're all frightfully normal people in this funny little country. A school with a foreign teacher is a selling point, not bad thing. And then you read Dave's ESL cafe and it's like looking into a freakish dimension of total mongs. |
Most of this is dead-on. But wouldn't you say you're a bit mongy yourself sometimes? (We all are on here...)
I really don't think we should have to overworry about this issue. Yes, there are trolls who incite and, yes, there are apologists who fan the flames, but I think we shouldn't have to kowtow to the 4.2 million nutizens, should we? I think 99.9% of the posters here like it here to varying degrees of depth, but equal appreciation. |
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Njord
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: Re: is dave's a PR disaster waiting to happen? |
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| Junior wrote: |
| How would Koreans react if they knew most foreigners are happy they lost the world cup game? |
I don't know where you get this idea. Every foreigner I know was cheering for Korea to win. (perhaps not very enthusiastically, but what do you expect?) I went down to the local foreigner pub to watch one of the games and almost everyone there was wearing red and everyone wanted Korea to win. Really, as an American, I don't really have any other team to cheer for. (Most Americans don't really follow our national teams, and we are trained from birth to support the local team.)
But even if most foreigners are happy Korea lost, (which I dispute) why would this make Koreans angry? I imagine some Koreans are happy that USA lost, but I really don't care. In any case, there shouldn't be any expectation for foreigners to cheer for Korea and from my brief conversations, I don't think most Koreans have such an expectation. Quite the contrary - they mostly expect foreigners to cheer for their own countries. |
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