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CGriswald309B
Joined: 23 Jan 2006
Location: Busan, SK
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 Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: 2.6 million won for 40 hours a week? |
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Does that sound fair. Also, is it possible to do? They also offered me 2 million for 30 hours a week?
I've only ever taught in Madrid and there 90% of the teaching is split shifts. You go to one companay and then another. So, working in Madrid I never worked more than 28 hours a week.
Oh yeah, the school is ETS located in Busan.
Once again, many thanks in advance for any help/advice. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Re: 2.6 million won for 40 hours a week? |
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| CGriswald309B wrote: |
| Does that sound fair. |
Works out to about 14,000 / hour overtime. That's terrible.
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For a whole year? Personally, 30 hours is plenty for me. But it also depends on several things: What's "1 hour"? 60 minutes in the classroom? Or 50 minutes in the classroom? What ages? Class size? How much prep? Split or block?
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They also offered me 2 million for 30 hours a week?
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Standard newbie offer. With 2 years of experience, you should definitely get more. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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what is an hour?
40 hours = 2400 minutes
teaching 40 minute classe that comes out to: 60 classes a week, 12 classes a day...can you say burn out?
Teaching 50 minute classes comes out to: 48 classes a week, 9.6 classes a day also a heavy load.
Now lets see money wise: standard 6 classes a day 30 hours a week contract 2 mil+ so for 40 hours you should get about 4 mil....because they are talking teaching times here buddy not at school times.
NEVER sign contracts for hours per week.....find out how many classes you have to teach and the hours you are to be at the school! |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Something I find funny here is that people complain when they have to work more than 25 hours a week!!!
Try working a full day in your own country doing 40-50 hours a week!!!! |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
Something I find funny here is that people complain when they have to work more than 25 hours a week!!!
Try working a full day in your own country doing 40-50 hours a week!!!! |
Moi? I do have about 15 years of work experience in the States, thank you very much. Et vous? I've worked my share of 40, 50, and 60 hour weeks. Teaching can be pretty demanding work, both physically and mentally. It's not as stressful as working in the trading pits, which I've done, but it does wear on you. Especially when you don't get any breaks for 6 or 7 hours in a row. Why burn yourself out teaching 40 hours / week? In the long run, you're going to make more money staying under 30 hours / week, working only 5 days a week, and not working splits. You're also going to be a more effective teacher. Besides, if I wanted to work 40-50 hours /week, I'd have stayed in the US and made a lot more money. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
Let's see... in a hakwon, on average, each student in your class is paying 5000 per class hour for the privilage of your presence.
25 classes per week = equal time for PROPER preparation in your first year. That means 50 hours of work (not 25) at an average of 7500-9000 won per hour of work time.
I don't know of anyone (here or back home) who thinks that they should NOT be paid if their presence is REQUIRED at the workplace. In the real work world your PAID time starts when you punch in and ends when you punch out. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
A financial advisor is a more interesting and stimulating job than teaching English for most people.
Teaching is different than a regular job, you are always on and everyone is focused on you where other jobs you can talk to coworkers, have a coffe, surf the net..... |
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poof
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| Although these 40 hour a week teaching jobs do exist, the point I think is: why settle for one of these when there are 20 hour a week jobs to be had here for a little difference in salary? 40 hours of teaching a week with 10 days vacation would probably give me a breakdown after just a few months. How are you going to find time for lesson prep? Are you going to have any evenings free to socialize? Are you going to have enough energy left on your days off to actually do something? Are you going to feel refreshed going into every class each day? I've taught 35 hours a week previous, and that was with 6 weeks vacation, and I wouldn't want to do it again. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
How many teachers back home work 40 hour weeks and are forced to do unpaid overtime?
How many teachers back home have to put up with overbearing bosses complaining about everything they do?
I could go on... |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
Because anyone who knows anything about teaching EFL knows that 40 hours a week is WAY TOO MUCH for the average person to handle, if you want to teach effectively that is. There is a lot more to teaching an hour of class than just the time you spend in the classroom. Being prepared means a lot more than preping some worksheets for the day, it means getting to know your students, knowing their interests, knowing what works for each group and what doesn't.
Sure, you can show up for 40 hours of classes per week, but I guarantee you won't be well prepared for those classes, you won't be much of a teacher at all by the end of the day, you will be hating it by the end of a month and you probably will be doing a midnight run after 6 weeks.
But if you think you can handle it, be my guest. |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| JLarter wrote: |
But why do people come on these forums and moan about it?
In the real world, people have to work long days. My father works as a financial advisor, goes in at 730am and often doesn't get home until after 8pm. He doesn't moan about it, he loves working.
I just feel that most people who go to teach in Korea are those who aren't cut out for real work, which is why they moan if they have to do a bit of unpaid overtime. |
We're not financial advisors are we? If the norm is 30 hours a week for a hagwon, why work more? If you are so high and mighty, how about you work 10 hours for me, for free?
What? You won't do it? Exactly...why the hell would you. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| I'm just saying that people just love to moan if they have to put in any sort of extra commitment. It's the moaning that get boring. EFL teachers have it easy compared to most other jobs. |
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Nok Yong
Joined: 05 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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JLarter wrote:
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| Try working a full day in your own country doing 40-50 hours a week!!!! |
Like no one on this board has done that before.
Try working 50-55 hours per week in this "piece of cake" of an EFL job. That would be a 9:30 am to 8:00 pm schedule starting with two kindergarten classes in the morning (one hour and forty minutes of teaching). Then, serving the kindies lunch at around noon. After they leave, help clean the school for afternoon classes. Prepare lessons for one 60 minute class and six 50 minute classes. Teach afternoon classes from 2:30 pm until 8:00 pm with five minute breaks each hour, except for the ten minute break around 6 pm to cram "dinner" down your throat.
For an added bonus, once a month, go on a four-hour field trip and chaperone thirty screaming five and six year-olds, who understand very little English and do their best to ignore you anyway.
Did I forget to mention the zero sick days I was allowed to take off while I worked through a bout of acute bronchitis? Or, the ten vacation days that my director refused to give me or pay me for at the end of my contract? Oh, and how about the terrific salary of 1,800,000 won per month, which in 2002-2003 was less than $1600 US?
Until you've taught some English classes to foreign students who understand, at best 30-40% of what you're saying, I wouldn't be tapping my keyboard and spewing asinine commentary on something you obviously know NOTHING about! EFL teaching in Korea is certainly no vacation. To come on this board and suggest that EFL teachers don't earn their paychecks and are just a bunch of whine-asses takes cajones.
Sure, compared to digging ditches for 40 hours a week for minimum wage or harvesting fruit in an orchard for room and board plus a little extra cash a week, being an EFL teacher isn't that bad. But, I'm sure your job is neither of those. |
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JLarter
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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First of all, yes, I teach kids EFL. It is a far easier job than any I have previously done. The hours are shorter and the pay for what you actually do is amazing.
The people I'm having a go at are the people who are in school for six hours for five days a week, teaching feck all classes, who then decide that being made to do a few extra hours of overtime is such a chore.
My job last year, we would work until our work was complete, some days that meant a six hour working day,but often that meant starting at 8am and not finishing until 9 or 10pm.
As far as ease of lifestyle goes, teaching EFL is far easier than most other careers. Free rent? Low tax?
We have it pretty cushy. |
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