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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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 Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle |
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What was the relationship between Saddam Hussein's inner circle and Islamic terrorists? A newly released document appears to provide evidence that in 1999 the Taliban welcomed "Islamic relations with Iraq" to mediate among the Taliban, the Northern Alliance and Russia, and that the Taliban invited Iraqi officials to Afghanistan.
The document, captured in Iraq but never before seen by the public, offers glimmers of new insight at the Pentagon's Foreign Military Studies Office Web site. The FMSO is a research and analysis center under the U.S. Army's Training and Doctrine Command. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199052,00.html |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Fiveeagles.......the source of this news and the source of the document are about as unprejudiced, just and true as your own alleged source of inspiration -- that one and true God that mumbles to you in the dark.
Quit it with the fiction...........
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, American oil companies were known to have been dealing with the Taliban, which would have never gained power in Afghanistan if it wasn't for American support during the war against the USSR. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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eh the taliban were running a gov't. Yes, the taliban harbored terrorists, but the taliban themselves were not terrorists.
Not to defend the taliban, just clarifying. Your headline is 100% misleading and wrong.
As hollywood noted, members of the taliban visited the usa, so by your logic, the usa had connections to "terrorists" as well.  |
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fiveeagles
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
eh the taliban were running a gov't. Yes, the taliban harbored terrorists, but the taliban themselves were not terrorists.
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What is a terrorist in your eyes? The war against terrorism is against nations who harbor terrorists. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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nice to know bush's rhetoric has been so well absorbed by some people.
But seriously, if you are saying we should attack every country that "harbors terrorists" then why not attack Syria? Iran? Somalia? Yemen? The list goes on. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
But seriously, if you are saying we should attack every country that "harbors terrorists" then why not attack Syria? Iran? Somalia? Yemen? The list goes on. |
I think Bush's strategy was to take out the most serious threat and hope that the moderate voice would prevail. Thinking that an ideology of democracy would be more powerful than one of hatred. And it seems like that. I have read that the king of Jordan helped with the assassination of Al Zaqwari.
Before, you make assumptions, I was against the war in Iraq and against many of the American policies. But it doesn't mean I don't want them to win. They both commit great evils, but terrorism is the greater evil.
Your stance and attitude makes it seem like you want the US to lose. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Afghan province to provide one-third of world's heroin
� Poppy harvest to double in British-patrolled area
� �1.1bn from west since 2001 fails to stop trade
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0%2C%2C1796794%2C00.html
Another lesser of two evils dilemma! It wouldn't have happened under the taliban that's for sure.
But why is it such a bad thing for states to harbour terroists? If terrorism is violence perpetrated by non-state entites, surely a state harboring them is the first step along the road to rehabiltating them into state-sponsored violence. Just look at Israel for a terrorism to state sponsored violence success story. Why can't everyone be more like them? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
But seriously, if you are saying we should attack every country that "harbors terrorists" then why not attack Syria? Iran? Somalia? Yemen? The list goes on. |
I think Bush's strategy was to take out the most serious threat and hope that the moderate voice would prevail. Thinking that an ideology of democracy would be more powerful than one of hatred. And it seems like that. I have read that the king of Jordan helped with the assassination of Al Zaqwari.
Before, you make assumptions, I was against the war in Iraq and against many of the American policies. But it doesn't mean I don't want them to win. They both commit great evils, but terrorism is the greater evil.
Your stance and attitude makes it seem like you want the US to lose. |
How does my stance and attitude make it seem like that?
I'm turned off by your viewing things as black and white and your incorrect title to this thread. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
But seriously, if you are saying we should attack every country that "harbors terrorists" then why not attack Syria? Iran? Somalia? Yemen? The list goes on. |
I think Bush's strategy was to take out the most serious threat and hope that the moderate voice would prevail. Thinking that an ideology of democracy would be more powerful than one of hatred. And it seems like that. I have read that the king of Jordan helped with the assassination of Al Zaqwari.
Before, you make assumptions, I was against the war in Iraq and against many of the American policies. But it doesn't mean I don't want them to win. They both commit great evils, but terrorism is the greater evil.
Your stance and attitude makes it seem like you want the US to lose. |
They've already lost - it's just a question of how they're going to do it.
But look on the bright side: 2,500 brave Yankee patriots have had the opportunity to go to heaven.  |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
But seriously, if you are saying we should attack every country that "harbors terrorists" then why not attack Syria? Iran? Somalia? Yemen? The list goes on. |
I think Bush's strategy was to take out the most serious threat and hope that the moderate voice would prevail. Thinking that an ideology of democracy would be more powerful than one of hatred. And it seems like that. I have read that the king of Jordan helped with the assassination of Al Zaqwari.
Before, you make assumptions, I was against the war in Iraq and against many of the American policies. But it doesn't mean I don't want them to win. They both commit great evils, but terrorism is the greater evil.
Your stance and attitude makes it seem like you want the US to lose. |
How does my stance and attitude make it seem like that?
I'm turned off by your viewing things as black and white and your incorrect title to this thread. |
Sorry, I got you mixed up with Yu.Bum.Suk. I have read through your posts and you seem to give a fair interpretation to current events.
However, you are making a few assumptions. Like, what's wrong with the title and why am I black and white with only one article? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| what's wrong with the title |
Using the logic you employ, one could prove that almost any government in the world has "links" to "terror". So the title proves nothing substantial about Saddam, and is basically meaningless.
Let's say I say that your Aunt Thelma has had dealings with the mafia. When pressed to defend my statement, I tell you that your aunt once bought a Frank Sinatra album, and that I regard anyone who buys a Frank Sinatra album as having dealings with the mafia. Would you consider that I had proven anything substantial about your aunt and the mafia? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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even more direct: frank sinatra visited your aunt one time. Sinatra was pals with the mafia. Therefore, your aunt must have connections to the mafia.
That's the line of argument you are using with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Saddam. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
even more direct: frank sinatra visited your aunt one time. Sinatra was pals with the mafia. Therefore, your aunt must have connections to the mafia.
That's the line of argument you are using with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Saddam. |
Right! 
Like the article stated,
This document appears to provide evidence that in 1999 the Taliban welcomed "Islamic relations with Iraq" to mediate between the Taliban, the Northern Alliance and Russia. It seems to provide evidence that the Taliban invited Iraqi officials to Afghanistan. According to this notebook, the Taliban did this via Maulana Fazlur Rahman. The notebook later mentions that another man, Fazlur Rahman Khalil, was visiting Iraq as well, although no transcript of that meeting is provided. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| and al-qaeda and/or terrorists are mentioned where exactly? Yeah, nowhere, that's what I thought. |
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