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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: With regards to the offside ruling..... |
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Serious post about football. Not meant for flaming or gloating. I'm just curious about the decision made in Friday nights game.
This is a link going around a couple of Korean sites claiming the ref was wrong in his ruling.
Gaining an advantage by being in an offside position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or crossbar or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.
http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0,1369,105502,00.html |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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The above link is mostly in Korean but there is some English.
I think the key word here is "rebound". |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| If that is the rule then it looks like the linesman was correct and the goal was offside. Pity. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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even if the goal was disallowed.. the score is still 1:0!!
I dont know why koreans are crying about it...
now if the score was 1:1 and that goal was allowed to give the swiss a 2:1 lead then yes!! by gods name RIOT in the swiss!! and be crazy!!
fact is.. Korea didnt score!! |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, but I'm trying to determine if the goal should have counted or not. According to the rule book I would have to say NO. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| from what Is aw on TV it was offside. What bothers me more than ahthign is the stupid, mindless, almost venomous glee of idiots on this board who were happy about the ruling. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Reuters wrote: |
South Korea take credit after controversial exit
Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:09 PM IST13
By Alastair Himmer
HANOVER (Reuters) - South Korea's World Cup dreams were shattered by a stingy Swiss defence and untimely French renaissance, while the luck that helped carry them to the semi-finals four years ago finally ran out.
Needing a victory over Switzerland to assure themselves of a place in the last 16, the Koreans went 1-0 down to an early Philippe Senderos header but looked poised to strike back in the second half.
Their hopes evaporated, however, when Argentine referee Horacio Elizondo overruled a linesman's flag and allowed Alex Frei to score a decisive Swiss second.
The 2-0 loss in Hanover, coupled with a French win over Togo by the same score, sealed Korea's early exit.
"We were all looking forward to this World Cup so it's a shock to go out like this," playmaker Park Ji-sung told Reuters.
"We are all very sad but we lost 2-0 so I don't want to blame the referee."
Defender Lee Young-pyo could not hide his disappointment after the match.
"We all stopped when we saw the flag go up for offside," he said. "It was a very, very strange decision."
The team's run to the 2002 semi-finals was not without controversy, with beaten opponents Portugal, Italy and Spain complaining bitterly about key decisions going the way of the co-hosts.
CORRECT DECISION
But South Korea coach Dick Advocaat grudgingly admitted referee Elizondo had been correct to allow Frei's goal to stand as the ball had ricocheted off a defender before falling to the Swiss forward.
The Dutchman also insisted his team had nothing to be ashamed of and suggested that expectations in Korea had been raised unrealistically high after 2002.
"The impression is that we are unbeatable in Korea," he told reporters. "We are proud we won one game - and that was a first."
South Korea's 2-1 win over Togo in the opening group match was their first World Cup victory on foreign soil. They also held France to a creditable 1-1 draw in their second game.
Sharper finishing against the Swiss, the only team at the World Cup yet to concede a goal, could have taken the Koreans into the second round.
"That's why we are all so sad about this result," said Park. "It's shocking."
As hundreds of thousands of "Red Devil" fans sat sobbing on the streets of Seoul at sunrise, their idols trudged past reporters shortly before midnight in Hanover, shoulders slumped and visibly distressed.
Coach Advocaat was in no mood to discuss his next move.
"I am too upset to think about my own future," he shrugged.
"I will take a few days and make a decision then." |
Seeing the replay, the ball was clearly tipped by Korea and therefore not offside. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| Seeing the replay, the ball was clearly tipped by Korea and therefore not offside. |
I think the one thing that many people are missing that the ball wasn't tipped, it was kicked by the Korean player. I'm no soccer expert but a tip and a kick are two different things. |
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patchy1
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: No, not patchy's sock. New account because old account got mucked up.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| By my understanding, the coach is saying the same thing as in the OP, which according to the rules, means it was off-side. That's pretty sad the coach doesn't know what off-side means. I'm having real doubts about this guy. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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@ 4 months...whatever. I used the wrong term. Soccer cop. 
@ patchy1: Korea's coach said it should stand as a goal. According to the rules, it wasn't offside. The only people contesting the goal are Koreans. Do a google for comments about the game.
While a very sad way to go, the only comments you will see are ones stating that the referee correctly overruled the linesman, and waved play on. |
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patchy1
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: No, not patchy's sock. New account because old account got mucked up.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
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| Seeing the replay, the ball was clearly tipped by Korea and therefore not offside. |
I think the one thing that many people are missing that the ball wasn't tipped, it was kicked by the Korean player. I'm no soccer expert but a tip and a kick are two different things. |
Rebound is rebound whether it was from a leg or another body part. We need to see a replay to see whether the Korean guy kicked the ball or if it bounced/richocheted off him. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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One blown call is not a case for an inquiry or demand to replay the game.
I am curious as to whether this is why I cannot access www.fifa.com
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You don't have permission to access "http://www.fifa.com/" on this server.
Reference #18.6e9a6cc1.1151231424.1f6ff168 |
Perhaps Koreans have been flooding it with their crap and whining. It sucks because I was using it to watch live updates and other things. Pretty good site I thought. Perhaps the site can detect I am in Korea.
Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
I think it was a goal anyway and it is a goal. It counted and Korea lost. Meh... |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe"]@ 4 months...whatever. I used the wrong term. Soccer cop. [/b] |
I wasn't trying to split hairs Demo but maybe someone who knows the rules of the game better than I do can state whether the offside rule is different in a case of a deflection/tip or a kick.
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| Rebound is rebound whether it was from a leg or another body part. We need to see a replay to see whether the Korean guy kicked the ball or if it bounced/richocheted off him. |
It clearly was a kick, I have seen the replay many times and if you have played sports before there is a difference between a kick and tip/deflection. A rebound is a rebound but this clearly wasn't a rebound. Having played a ton of sports in my life I would assume that the distinction between a tip and kick would have an impact on whether it was offside or not. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
One blown call is not a case for an inquiry or demand to replay the game.
I am curious as to whether this is why I cannot access www.fifa.com
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You don't have permission to access "http://www.fifa.com/" on this server.
Reference #18.6e9a6cc1.1151231424.1f6ff168 |
Perhaps Koreans have been flooding it with their crap and whining. It sucks because I was using it to watch live updates and other things. Pretty good site I thought. Perhaps the site can detect I am in Korea.
Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
I think it was a goal anyway and it is a goal. It counted and Korea lost. Meh... |
Yes, as Advocat said in the France game "The score was 1-1 so the goal didn't count."
The score was 2-0 in the Swiss game so the goal did count. |
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