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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: "Changing" Korea Reply with quote

A little thing I'd experience I'd thought share with those of you on dave's who are so convinced that Korea is so rapidly changing in its xenophobic ways...

Was out having beer and anju with a korean friend (girl) in Incheon. While we were eating our food I notice a group of koreans, two men and two girls. When I look over at the table on of the guys is smirking at me and waving hello giving the whole "hi foreigner!" treatment that we get here constantly. I nod my head and smile to be polite...So we finish up and leave... While we were outside my friend tells me that the people inside were saying things about us. She said that they were talking about how she, my friend, and other korean women who date foreigners are sluts who sleep around a lot...Of course I wasn't paying any attention to them so I missed the whole thing and they had already left so I couldn't go back to confront them...Anyway, after prodding her with some more questions I got the following interesting little factoids out of her..These are the words straight from HER mouth (and no I'm NOT making this up..)

Her: "Most Koreans, when they see a Korean women with a foreign guy, think the woman is easy or a *beep*."

Her: "I have six close girlfriends. One of them doesn't like foreigners."

Her: "In Canada nobody cares about you (she lived in Canada for four years) but here everybody cares about you and your business if they see you with a foreigner."

Her: "Most Korean men, maybe 60% don't like foreigners."

Me: "Even the ones our age?" (20s)

Her: "Yes. They are jealous of them because they have bigger eyes and are popular with Korean women. But most Korean women like foreign men because they are more kind and look different."

Her: "Before they get married many Korean men are kind. But after they get married many of them change. They hit their wives."

This is in addition to another outwardly racist incident I had back in Hongdae six month ago which I don't feel like divulging at this time..Ah well, only six more months left of grinning and bearing in this backwards shit hole of a country and them off to bigger and better things. Praise god!
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: "Changing" Korea Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
A little thing I'd experience I'd thought share with those of you on dave's


WHAT??? Shocked

Most of the time when a Korean person doesn't like foreigners, it's because they haven't met any, so it is because of ignorance.

This goes the same for most places I would suspect.

After meeting foreigners and getting to know them, the ignorance goes away and their dislike always disappears.

I have a good friend who told me he didn't like foreigners before because of what he had been told (which was comlete crap) but now we are good friends, so people change.
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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: "Changing" Korea Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
After meeting foreigners and getting to know them, the ignorance goes away and their dislike always disappears.


My theory, the dislike goes away, as long as they feel like you are the happy foreigner who will pose no resistance or challenge to their bedrock cultural principles in anyway (especially with Korean men)


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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people are just ignorant, and believe the worst things about people they have never met. Don't sweat this kind of thing, or you'll end up doing alot of sweating.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in the US, I grew up in a rigidly conservative, freedom-of-choice family. I had it drilled in my head constantly that people are allowed to think what they want, and you're welcome to think what you want. It's a value I still hold.

Fear or dislike of the unknown is perfectly normal human behavior. I bet if some really super friendly aliens decide to land their mother ship in Arizona, it would get attacked pretty fast.

If people don't have any foreign friends or acquaintances, and all they hear is the one-sided racist crap in the news (i.e. the English Village molestation incident), what do you expect them to think? It's not gonna hurt you.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: "Changing" Korea Reply with quote

adventureman wrote:
A little thing I'd experience I'd thought share with those of you on dave's who are so convinced that Korea is so rapidly changing in its xenophobic ways...

Was out having beer and anju with a korean friend (girl) in Incheon. While we were eating our food I notice a group of koreans, two men and two girls. When I look over at the table on of the guys is smirking at me and waving hello giving the whole "hi foreigner!" treatment that we get here constantly. I nod my head and smile to be polite...So we finish up and leave... While we were outside my friend tells me that the people inside were saying things about us. She said that they were talking about how she, my friend, and other korean women who date foreigners are sluts who sleep around a lot...Of course I wasn't paying any attention to them so I missed the whole thing and they had already left so I couldn't go back to confront them...Anyway, after prodding her with some more questions I got the following interesting little factoids out of her..These are the words straight from HER mouth (and no I'm NOT making this up..)

Her: "Most Koreans, when they see a Korean women with a foreign guy, think the woman is easy or a *beep*."

Her: "I have six close girlfriends. One of them doesn't like foreigners."

Her: "In Canada nobody cares about you (she lived in Canada for four years) but here everybody cares about you and your business if they see you with a foreigner."

Her: "Most Korean men, maybe 60% don't like foreigners."

Me: "Even the ones our age?" (20s)

Her: "Yes. They are jealous of them because they have bigger eyes and are popular with Korean women. But most Korean women like foreign men because they are more kind and look different."

Her: "Before they get married many Korean men are kind. But after they get married many of them change. They hit their wives."

This is in addition to another outwardly racist incident I had back in Hongdae six month ago which I don't feel like divulging at this time..Ah well, only six more months left of grinning and bearing in this backwards *beep* hole of a country and them off to bigger and better things. Praise god!


(see bold)

not indicative of xenophobia.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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rigidly conservative, freedom-of-choice family


Interesting use of the word 'conservative'.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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rigidly conservative, freedom-of-choice family


Interesting use of the word 'conservative'.


Conservative in the libertarian sense. Not in the sense of how the ideology has been taken over and perverted in the past two decades.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If people don't have any foreign friends or acquaintances, and all they hear is the one-sided racist crap in the news (i.e. the English Village molestation incident), what do you expect them to think? It's not gonna hurt you.


Totally wrong Qinella. It could damage me financially if I am trying to get another job for example. Also the outright lies damage my reputation. It hurts me, hurts you and hurts all ESL teachers.
They still haven't apologized yet either. Being Korea though, they don't have to answer to anyone. Total garbage.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
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If people don't have any foreign friends or acquaintances, and all they hear is the one-sided racist crap in the news (i.e. the English Village molestation incident), what do you expect them to think? It's not gonna hurt you.


Totally wrong Qinella. It could damage me financially if I am trying to get another job for example. Also the outright lies damage my reputation. It hurts me, hurts you and hurts all ESL teachers.
They still haven't apologized yet either. Being Korea though, they don't have to answer to anyone. Total garbage.


Totally wrong, Guri Guy. ( Rolling Eyes ) If an employer is seeking a foreign employee, what random Koreans think about you is irrelevant. Let me guess, you think a hagwon owner is gonna be looking for a foreign English teacher, but then you go to apply and s/he says that you're a foreigner so you can't be hired? Haha.
You want an apology? Yeah it would be nice. Has nothing to do with what I was "totally wrong" about.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hold my girlfriends hand while walking on the street and we are very playful in public.

I don't give a $h!t because I love the girl and have been with her for ten months now.


However, i have seen the odd disaproving stares and I know some have made comments towards my girlfriend while she was with me (although I didn't understand it at the time).


On the other hand some Koreans have been really friendly towards us. They were mostly females though except for a few male taxi drivers and one of my gyopo friends to my surprise.


For the most part it's the men who cannot stand seeing a Korean girl with a caucasian man. I do understand this a little.


It's a dick thing in my opinion. The thought that another man can enter deeper into their women drives them crazy.

Now not all Western guys are hung like a horse, cause i've seen a lot of small one's in my days.


But the perception by Korean males (IMO) is that white men are more hung and thus they have the *beep* envy and feel inadequite.


It's kind of like how many white guys feel when they see a white girl with a black man.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella you are a dumb @ss. The KTU has said foreigners were involved in child molestation. They have refused to apologize even though it is obviously deceptive and they are trying to keep foreigners from getting jobs. They are a union dumb@ss. They don't want me or you taking their jobs away. These aren't random Koreans. This is the Korean teachers Union.
Besides many foreigners work in public schools you know, where the KTU has juristiction. If they got their way,(and they have requested it) no foreigners would be teaching here. Period. Your ignorance is truly staggering.

Furthermore, most Koreans are reasonable people and would know the truth. However what happens if there is some uninformed netizen somewhere that lets say get drunk. Sees foreigner and commits violence upon him/her since he/she doesn't like child molesters. It could happen.

Child molesters are the lowest of the low. I do not like anyone lumping me in with this group. Your "Ha! Ha!, I don't care if random people think I am a child molester" is where we differ 100% If that's what you want, go for it.
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Nemo



Joined: 28 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, there is a lot of ignorance in Korea.

The sad thing is that Koreans aren't the only ones stooping to stereotypes.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Qinella you are a dumb @ss. The KTU has said foreigners were involved in child molestation. They have refused to apologize even though it is obviously deceptive and they are trying to keep foreigners from getting jobs. They are a union dumb@ss. They don't want me or you taking their jobs away. These aren't random Koreans. This is the Korean teachers Union.
Besides many foreigners work in public schools you know, where the KTU has juristiction. If they got their way,(and they have requested it) no foreigners would be teaching here. Period. Your ignorance is truly staggering.

Furthermore, most Koreans are reasonable people and would know the truth. However what happens if there is some uninformed netizen somewhere that lets say get drunk. Sees foreigner and commits violence upon him/her since he/she doesn't like child molesters. It could happen.

Child molesters are the lowest of the low. I do not like anyone lumping me in with this group. Your "Ha! Ha!, I don't care if random people think I am a child molester" is where we differ 100% If that's what you want, go for it.


Feel free to provide evidence of schools refusing to hire foreigners.

Feel free to provide evidence of drunk netizens attacking foreigners because of the story.

Your paranoia is worthless. Either show some stats, or shut yer yapper.


Really, you are far more likely than the average Korean to get violent and attack people. Look how little self control you have over a disagreement of opinions. Get real.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
I hold my girlfriends hand while walking on the street and we are very playful in public.

I don't give a $h!t because I love the girl and have been with her for ten months now.


However, i have seen the odd disaproving stares and I know some have made comments towards my girlfriend while she was with me (although I didn't understand it at the time).


On the other hand some Koreans have been really friendly towards us. They were mostly females though except for a few male taxi drivers and one of my gyopo friends to my surprise.


For the most part it's the men who cannot stand seeing a Korean girl with a caucasian man. I do understand this a little.


It's a *beep* thing in my opinion. The thought that another man can enter deeper into their women drives them crazy.

Now not all Western guys are hung like a horse, cause i've seen a lot of small one's in my days.


But the perception by Korean males (IMO) is that white men are more hung and thus they have the *beep* envy and feel inadequite.


It's kind of like how many white guys feel when they see a white girl with a black man.


I don't know, man... do Korean guys have the peni s envy culture that we have in the West?

But really, I've never thought about a black guy's peni s when I've seen them with white girls. Usually I think, man.. why do black guys always hook up with the ugliest white girls? That's what I usually saw, at least in the South.
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