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Public schools and not telling us stuff

 
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: Public schools and not telling us stuff Reply with quote

Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools Wink
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't just public schools...hogwans as well. The communication is one way and often you have to be on the ball and ask about things that might be coming up. I'd rather be a bit inquisative and informed, then have something sprung on me at the last minute.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here, but I had no idea this coming, but I guess the last week of classes have no afternoon classes. They just forgot to tell me. The kids told me. I am usually pretty inquisitive though (had to become so, like you said).
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Unreal



Joined: 01 Jul 2004
Location: Jeollabuk-do

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a class until 10:00 on Monday morning but this morning I was told at 9:10 by my students that I was supposed to be in their class at 9:00 to teach them (we have to "make up" for a class that we will miss in two weeks. Other teachers found out last Friday.

Two weeks ago I was informed that the conversation class I agreed to teach during the summer was now a writing class and I had a week to put together 37.5 pages of documents (during the same week that I am very busy grading presentations and writing the final exam).

I try to keep up on what's happening but it's really impractical to ask my supervisor every day what's happening. Usually he finds out only a few hours or minutes before I do about something that's to happen that day.

The chain of communication in my school goes something like this:
Principal ==>Vice Principal ==>General Coordinator ==>Head of Language Department ==>Me (if I'm lucky but often I get my information by overhearing another teacher). Each of these steps is dependent upon each individual's "busyness" and how important he thinks it is. Quite often I find out throught the grape vine before my supervisor, so asking him would be pointless while going over his head could be insulting.

I have been active in finding out information at my school, but as the head honchos at my school seem to enjoy surprising people with last minute changes, it doesn't really help all that much. This lack of communication has bothered me so much that I've begun a log book of each time I suffer from these incidents . I probably won't show anyone but it's therapeutic anyway...maybe if they push me for reasons why I'm not re-signing next year I'll whip it out.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same problem last year at a PHS. laogaiguk, you're right on about it being mostly good news.

The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Public schools and not telling us stuff Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools Wink


(see bold)

I agree. Last Friday, I'd had a bad night's sleep and wasn't in a terrific mood. Co-teacher said "SPIN, the first class with me I'll have to do solo because they're very behind in their work, so you can relax here".

That's the great thing about teaching in public school in Korea. Your class gets cancelled, you may sit on your arse. Any job back home: do something else, make yourself useful instead, like do something mind-numbing like filing or put stuff in fooking boxes and then take this box and stick it over there.

SLACK! Very Happy
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Public schools and not telling us stuff Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools Wink


(see bold)

I agree. Last Friday, I'd had a bad night's sleep and wasn't in a terrific mood. Co-teacher said "SPIN, the first class with me I'll have to do solo because they're very behind in their work, so you can relax here".

That's the great thing about teaching in public school in Korea. Your class gets cancelled, you may sit on your arse. Any job back home: do something else, make yourself useful instead, like do something mind-numbing like filing or put stuff in fooking boxes and then take this box and stick it over there.

SLACK! Very Happy


Good point here. I have never, ever heard, "Well, your class is cancelled so you can do this instead." It's always, "Hey laogaiguk, you can have rest time."
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:

The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare.


Oh isn't that ever annoying? I've been lucky so far arranging particular weeks off but some of my friends in the school district have had real problems with this. Do they really think we can just plan our holidays a week in advance? Are they that genuinely ignorant or just toally apathetic?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:

The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare.


Oh isn't that ever annoying? I've been lucky so far arranging particular weeks off but some of my friends in the school district have had real problems with this. Do they really think we can just plan our holidays a week in advance? Are they that genuinely ignorant or just toally apathetic?


That really bites... we (there are 2 foreign teachers in our school - yes it is a public elementary school - 960 students) had our summer vacation dates given to us back in May.
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UncleAlex



Joined: 04 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Last Minute Notices? Reply with quote

Another reason to ask oneself: 'Are public schools really worth it?' Cool
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Last Minute Notices? Reply with quote

UncleAlex wrote:
Another reason to ask oneself: 'Are public schools really worth it?' Cool


Yes, most schools know when the summer vacation will be. I knew 2 months ago when I was getting my vacation. All I had to do was ask. Just ask for the monthly schedule. Every school has one. If you don't understand it, sit down with your English teacher and figure it out. If you don't understand your English teacher (one possible downside of public schools), post it here and we can help.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools in fact have an annual calendar they adhere to pretty closely. All the K-teachers have it -- ask for a copy. Problem though is this will indicate the students' vacation which is undoubtedly more generous than yours.

I sit down with my supervisor 6 or 8 weeks before the school break to sort out my vacation dates. By then they should have some inkling of when & how they propose to utilize your services.

In my experience this has always worked out smoothly. They quite reasonably anticipate my need to know. However. Even after years at the same job, its up to me to initiate that discussion.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, not just applicable to public schools. It's universal, not only across Korea, but across the whole ESL world! You have to just suck it up and play the part of several people inside one body, conjuring up lessons out of thin air upon demand, and uttering the words 'kwaen-chan-eyo' over and over with that fixed smile on your face...














































okay...now I'm sounding stupid...
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