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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: Public schools and not telling us stuff |
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Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools  |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It isn't just public schools...hogwans as well. The communication is one way and often you have to be on the ball and ask about things that might be coming up. I'd rather be a bit inquisative and informed, then have something sprung on me at the last minute. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Same here, but I had no idea this coming, but I guess the last week of classes have no afternoon classes. They just forgot to tell me. The kids told me. I am usually pretty inquisitive though (had to become so, like you said). |
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Unreal
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Location: Jeollabuk-do
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have a class until 10:00 on Monday morning but this morning I was told at 9:10 by my students that I was supposed to be in their class at 9:00 to teach them (we have to "make up" for a class that we will miss in two weeks. Other teachers found out last Friday.
Two weeks ago I was informed that the conversation class I agreed to teach during the summer was now a writing class and I had a week to put together 37.5 pages of documents (during the same week that I am very busy grading presentations and writing the final exam).
I try to keep up on what's happening but it's really impractical to ask my supervisor every day what's happening. Usually he finds out only a few hours or minutes before I do about something that's to happen that day.
The chain of communication in my school goes something like this:
Principal ==>Vice Principal ==>General Coordinator ==>Head of Language Department ==>Me (if I'm lucky but often I get my information by overhearing another teacher). Each of these steps is dependent upon each individual's "busyness" and how important he thinks it is. Quite often I find out throught the grape vine before my supervisor, so asking him would be pointless while going over his head could be insulting.
I have been active in finding out information at my school, but as the head honchos at my school seem to enjoy surprising people with last minute changes, it doesn't really help all that much. This lack of communication has bothered me so much that I've begun a log book of each time I suffer from these incidents . I probably won't show anyone but it's therapeutic anyway...maybe if they push me for reasons why I'm not re-signing next year I'll whip it out. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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I had the same problem last year at a PHS. laogaiguk, you're right on about it being mostly good news.
The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Public schools and not telling us stuff |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools  |
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I agree. Last Friday, I'd had a bad night's sleep and wasn't in a terrific mood. Co-teacher said "SPIN, the first class with me I'll have to do solo because they're very behind in their work, so you can relax here".
That's the great thing about teaching in public school in Korea. Your class gets cancelled, you may sit on your arse. Any job back home: do something else, make yourself useful instead, like do something mind-numbing like filing or put stuff in fooking boxes and then take this box and stick it over there.
SLACK!  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Public schools and not telling us stuff |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
Hey, public schools get a lot of bad rap for not telling us stuff. This is almost always deserved. The thing is, almost always, the stuff they lay on us 5 minutes before is almost always good. I just found out I only teach 6 '40' minute classes this week. I love public schools  |
(see bold)
I agree. Last Friday, I'd had a bad night's sleep and wasn't in a terrific mood. Co-teacher said "SPIN, the first class with me I'll have to do solo because they're very behind in their work, so you can relax here".
That's the great thing about teaching in public school in Korea. Your class gets cancelled, you may sit on your arse. Any job back home: do something else, make yourself useful instead, like do something mind-numbing like filing or put stuff in fooking boxes and then take this box and stick it over there.
SLACK!  |
Good point here. I have never, ever heard, "Well, your class is cancelled so you can do this instead." It's always, "Hey laogaiguk, you can have rest time." |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare. |
Oh isn't that ever annoying? I've been lucky so far arranging particular weeks off but some of my friends in the school district have had real problems with this. Do they really think we can just plan our holidays a week in advance? Are they that genuinely ignorant or just toally apathetic? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| seoulsucker wrote: |
The one thing I hated more than anything was the reluctance to tell teachers when vacation actually started and ended, as if I'm going to wait until the day before my trip to book and pay for airfare. |
Oh isn't that ever annoying? I've been lucky so far arranging particular weeks off but some of my friends in the school district have had real problems with this. Do they really think we can just plan our holidays a week in advance? Are they that genuinely ignorant or just toally apathetic? |
That really bites... we (there are 2 foreign teachers in our school - yes it is a public elementary school - 960 students) had our summer vacation dates given to us back in May. |
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UncleAlex
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: Last Minute Notices? |
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Another reason to ask oneself: 'Are public schools really worth it?'  |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Last Minute Notices? |
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Another reason to ask oneself: 'Are public schools really worth it?'  |
Yes, most schools know when the summer vacation will be. I knew 2 months ago when I was getting my vacation. All I had to do was ask. Just ask for the monthly schedule. Every school has one. If you don't understand it, sit down with your English teacher and figure it out. If you don't understand your English teacher (one possible downside of public schools), post it here and we can help. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Public schools in fact have an annual calendar they adhere to pretty closely. All the K-teachers have it -- ask for a copy. Problem though is this will indicate the students' vacation which is undoubtedly more generous than yours.
I sit down with my supervisor 6 or 8 weeks before the school break to sort out my vacation dates. By then they should have some inkling of when & how they propose to utilize your services.
In my experience this has always worked out smoothly. They quite reasonably anticipate my need to know. However. Even after years at the same job, its up to me to initiate that discussion. |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, not just applicable to public schools. It's universal, not only across Korea, but across the whole ESL world! You have to just suck it up and play the part of several people inside one body, conjuring up lessons out of thin air upon demand, and uttering the words 'kwaen-chan-eyo' over and over with that fixed smile on your face...
okay...now I'm sounding stupid... |
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