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Do you take Criticism well?
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How well can you take a word?
Phrase it right and you can say anything
58%
 58%  [ 14 ]
Most things are a grain of salt
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
Not a big fan of hearing how "not great" I am
25%
 25%  [ 6 ]
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Do you take Criticism well? Reply with quote

I have joined this site "Garageband.com" for indie artists. It's basically a site where you stuff can get reviewed by other artists and put into a contest.
I've realized (i've always kinda known) that I'm not that great at taking criticism.
I thought my song was pretty great and the people who know me as a friend seem to think it's alright. But I think there is something about the song that you kinda need to know me to not think it's a boring, ill performed piece.... made me wonder why I chose to put that one into the contest first.
So many folks here seem so self confident and it makes me think that y'all are pretty good with takin' criticism...or maybe not.

At WORK, I take it great..all makes sense: I "adapt, act, re-adapt, apt" with no problems
maybe it's just something about my art...
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important part of receiving criticism is not to care when you get it.

Brush it off and go on your own way.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you take Criticism well? Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
I have joined this site "Garageband.com" for indie artists. It's basically a site where you stuff can get reviewed by other artists and put into a contest.
I've realized (i've always kinda known) that I'm not that great at taking criticism.
I thought my song was pretty great and the people who know me as a friend seem to think it's alright. But I think there is something about the song that you kinda need to know me to not think it's a boring, ill performed piece.... made me wonder why I chose to put that one into the contest first.
So many folks here seem so self confident and it makes me think that y'all are pretty good with takin' criticism...or maybe not.

At WORK, I take it great..all makes sense: I "adapt, act, re-adapt, apt" with no problems
maybe it's just something about my art...


Criticism is great. Look at what people wrote and think about it. They might be onto something. But try to stick to your artistic vision. Im on several sites where people critique photos. I think that it has helped me immensely to not only improve my skills but also to develop a certain style or vision. If I was just shooting for me, none of that would have happened. Im sure its the same with music.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you take Criticism well? Reply with quote

jinju wrote:


Criticism is great. Look at what people wrote and think about it. They might be onto something.



Laughing Anyone? Someone? Laughing


Sorry jinju, but that's just great comedy.

EDIT: Oh yeah...the OP.

I guess it depends who it's coming from. Strangers on the net? Nah...they may be jealous or just jerks. Disregard it. Freinds? Too subjective. People who I respect, whose opinions I can trust. Listen to all, but regard few. Most of all, listen to yourself. If you like it, then it's done.


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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you take Criticism well? Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
jinju wrote:


Criticism is great. Look at what people wrote and think about it. They might be onto something.



Laughing Anyone? Someone? Laughing


Not people on dave's. They arent onto anything. Except me.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on who it's from and how it's done. If someone is criticizing to be a d*ck, I don't smile and give it deep contemplation. But when my boss sat down with me and gave me a list of things I could do differently in class, and how I'm making mistakes with student relationships, yeah, I gave that a lot of consideration.

If I were to put a piece of my artwork up on a website, I'd probably be ready to accept whatever criticism it receieves.



Jinju, notice my proper use of the subjunctive tense. If I WERE. Twisted Evil
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From people who know what they are talking about and are being genuine, of course it's the best way to learn, but not from knobs...
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

herein lies the problems of having friends who are undyingly kind and not always honest.

thanks for that folks...

Some of these reviewers are just gits off the net but they are most ALL musicians.

If a very accomplished person who does things that I respect critiques me, I take it to heart. If a bumbling fool says the EXACT same things, I would probably ignore it.
Such is my nature...for better or worse.

**the strange thing is, for my particular example:
The reviewer was pretty adament about my likeness to the Beach boys: Something I had never considered. In fact, I only started listening to them the last few months. The song I had posted was 4 years old and in no way, influenced by the Beach Boys.
his quote was basically "sorry, yeah... like the beach boys but out of tune" (which, as i see it, is not the notes but the somewhat uncomely tone my voice has on the recording).
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:


Jinju, notice my proper use of the subjunctive tense. If I WERE. Twisted Evil


Ahh you and your grammar. Seriously, peer evaluation is the best way to go if you want to improve. Join as many sites that allow you to critique and allow other to critique your work and you will notice improvement. People see things we miss, be it flaws or things that are good but we are not emphasizing enough in our work. Criticism from those who are better than you is always a positive thing.

Q, grammar has no place on Dave's. if I WAS you I wouldnt bring it p Twisted Evil
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screw you for suggesting that I can't handle criticism.
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skinhead



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't take criticism. If anyone mentions my faults, I go all daddy hates me on their ass and freeze right up. You got a problem with that?
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you provide a link I'd like to hear some, Khyber.

I have my homemade music online at places like that and myspace or cdfuse / museeks and the like (http://keneckert.com/banjofish), but I usually don't submit my music to peer judgment like that. For one, I think it would be less fun for me to make music if I'm hearing negative comments in my head. I don't pretend that I'll ever get rich doing it.

I also think you should take such criticism with a grain of salt. Many of the people who do these reviews are not professionals, and if it isn't their favorite band's sound they don't like it. Others are "semi-professional or professional musicians", which often should be rephrased "bitter, aging musicians who were never signed and who build themselves up by knocking others down". These are the same people who provide terrible service in pro music stores. Actual A&R reviewers probably don't bother with ameteur websites, although there might be exceptions such as Taxi.

Ken:>
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
If you provide a link I'd like to hear some, Khyber.

I have my homemade music online at places like that and myspace or cdfuse / museeks and the like (http://keneckert.com/banjofish), but I usually don't submit my music to peer judgment like that. For one, I think it would be less fun for me to make music if I'm hearing negative comments in my head. I don't pretend that I'll ever get rich doing it.

I also think you should take such criticism with a grain of salt. Many of the people who do these reviews are not professionals, and if it isn't their favorite band's sound they don't like it. Others are "semi-professional or professional musicians", which often should be rephrased "bitter, aging musicians who were never signed and who build themselves up by knocking others down". These are the same people who provide terrible service in pro music stores. Actual A&R reviewers probably don't bother with ameteur websites, although there might be exceptions such as Taxi.

Ken:>

Hmmm sounds bad. The electronic scene is a bit more genuine in that regard. I'm part of a website where people upload there tracks, get and give crits. It gets HEAPS of traffic and people are making excellent music. If I get a crit that I think is too harsh, I can easily go and check out the persons music to see if they are walking the walk. If they sound excellent, I better listen to them even if it grates me the wrong way. There are a couple of prize wankers on the site who critique as if they are gods gift to music, oddly enough they don't upload a lot. Conversely the guys who are making the primo sounds and uploading a lot all tend to be very humble and give great helpful reviews...
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skinhead



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
If you provide a link I'd like to hear some, Khyber.

I have my homemade music online at places like that and myspace or cdfuse / museeks and the like (http://keneckert.com/banjofish), but I usually don't submit my music to peer judgment like that. For one, I think it would be less fun for me to make music if I'm hearing negative comments in my head. I don't pretend that I'll ever get rich doing it.

I also think you should take such criticism with a grain of salt. Many of the people who do these reviews are not professionals, and if it isn't their favorite band's sound they don't like it. Others are "semi-professional or professional musicians", which often should be rephrased "bitter, aging musicians who were never signed and who build themselves up by knocking others down". These are the same people who provide terrible service in pro music stores. Actual A&R reviewers probably don't bother with ameteur websites, although there might be exceptions such as Taxi.

Ken:>



Hmmm sounds bad. The electronic scene is a bit more genuine in that regard. I'm part of a website where people upload there tracks, get and give crits. It gets HEAPS of traffic and people are making excellent music. If I get a crit that I think is too harsh, I can easily go and check out the persons music to see if they are walking the walk. If they sound excellent, I better listen to them even if it grates me the wrong way. There are a couple of prize wankers on the site who critique as if they are gods gift to music, oddly enough they don't upload a lot. Conversely the guys who are making the primo sounds and uploading a lot all tend to be very humble and give great helpful reviews...


How often do you get trash thrown at your Arabesque? Or was that Arabique? Magestique, in my humble opinion. I could do that with about 20 years of tinkering. You got any new stuff?
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinhead wrote:
Satori wrote:
Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
If you provide a link I'd like to hear some, Khyber.

I have my homemade music online at places like that and myspace or cdfuse / museeks and the like (http://keneckert.com/banjofish), but I usually don't submit my music to peer judgment like that. For one, I think it would be less fun for me to make music if I'm hearing negative comments in my head. I don't pretend that I'll ever get rich doing it.

I also think you should take such criticism with a grain of salt. Many of the people who do these reviews are not professionals, and if it isn't their favorite band's sound they don't like it. Others are "semi-professional or professional musicians", which often should be rephrased "bitter, aging musicians who were never signed and who build themselves up by knocking others down". These are the same people who provide terrible service in pro music stores. Actual A&R reviewers probably don't bother with ameteur websites, although there might be exceptions such as Taxi.

Ken:>



Hmmm sounds bad. The electronic scene is a bit more genuine in that regard. I'm part of a website where people upload there tracks, get and give crits. It gets HEAPS of traffic and people are making excellent music. If I get a crit that I think is too harsh, I can easily go and check out the persons music to see if they are walking the walk. If they sound excellent, I better listen to them even if it grates me the wrong way. There are a couple of prize wankers on the site who critique as if they are gods gift to music, oddly enough they don't upload a lot. Conversely the guys who are making the primo sounds and uploading a lot all tend to be very humble and give great helpful reviews...


How often do you get trash thrown at your Arabesque? Or was that Arabique? Magestique, in my humble opinion. I could do that with about 20 years of tinkering. You got any new stuff?

I got nice comments about that. It was my first effort ever, and well, I think I just stumbled on a good thing, cause I have struggled to reproduce anything that satisfying sinse. But I've moved strictly into house music now, which is maybe more difficult, or not, who knows...

Arabica I think it was. Yeah, god, long ago dude. I feel like I've been to hell and back sinse then. I have nothing new that I'm particularly proud of, but the one I'm working on right now feels good. Will give you a peak if you like when it's done, maybe two weeks at most...
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