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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Will YOU be a travel snob? Reply with quote

This only applies to people who are planning to live in their native country full time again:

Do you worry about becoming a travel snob? You know the kind- that insufferable jerk we all knew in university (at least at my school- I knew several) who was always going on and on about how people do things in other parts of the world while everyone groaned at the prospect of hearing another boring story about some show-off's travels.

I've only been here 11 months (yes, a newbie), but I can already imagine myself becoming That Guy. I'll start every conversation with little quips like:

"I've been fortunate enough to have spent a significant amount of time in Korea, and..."
"I think the way they do this in Korea is much better. Over there they..."
"Back when I was in Korea, we used to..."

Say these while tossing your head just so and with your nose held a little high, and you have a travel snob.

Anybody?
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah, yeah I kind of do that crap back home. Nobody gives me any grief, but I quickly realize what I'm doing and spend like the next month trying to correct myself. I don't do the aloof thing, though.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I truly hate guys who tell long stories of their travels..........

..........."Yeah, one time we were high in the Afghan-Kashmir mountains and we met these hashish smugglers who sold us some primo...." Shut up!!!
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I truly hate guys who tell long stories of their travels..........

..........."Yeah, one time we were high in the Afghan-Kashmir mountains and we met these hashish smugglers who sold us some primo...." Shut up!!!


Oh dear gawd you know him too!!!!!!! Good lord the mountains must have been overrun with backpackers trying to score a few years back! Laughing

Jade
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Will YOU be a travel snob? Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:

Do you worry about becoming a travel snob? You know the kind- that insufferable jerk we all knew


It takes self control not to become one! I do have to check myself when I start on it.

Sad really- because whats the point of travelling if you're not allowed to relate your experiences to anyone??


I always assumed that travel would make a person more interesting. Apparently not.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Will YOU be a travel snob? Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:

Do you worry about becoming a travel snob? You know the kind- that insufferable jerk we all knew


It takes self control not to become one! I do have to check myself when I start on it.

Sad really- because whats the point of travelling if you're not allowed to relate your experiences to anyone??


I always assumed that travel would make a person more interesting. Apparently not.


I think it does as long as the person you are talking to has also travelled a lot. Then you can exchange stories. But when the best story the other person has is about going to Wal-mart on a Sunday and some old ladies got in an argument, I just think they can't relate.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have nothing to be snobbish about. Ooh, I've been to Korea. That doesn't make me a world traveler. Some people on this board have travel lists longer than Ron Jeremy's filmography.

But I know who you mean. When I was in the US, I lived around a lot of rich people in NC. The younger people who would constantly mention their trips to Switzerland and France, but try to say it like it bored them... Oh god! Wow, it must have taken such strong will and determination to get on that plane with the ticket mommy bought for you! You are soooo cultured, dude.

Yes, that's jealousy speaking.

I've read a few people on this board say to be careful when you go home, because no on will give a flying fart about what you did in Korea. So when I went back, I was careful not to talk about Korea unless someone asked, or unless there was something truly funny to tell.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, when I go to see my parents, I'm like that. But I think many people don't want to hear so much about Korea, but my friends will talk to me about how they spent a week in San Francisco or something. They usually only ask if Korea has fast food joints. GEEZ!!! I think some family/friends in the homeland are just jealous and/or they just don't understand Korea, etc.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe-- I think there are three categories.

The Bohemian Backpacker. The BB hangs out on Khao San road buying pirate discs and getting henna tattooes to match the hemp clothing while drinking beer and discussing Cambodia. Periodically he calls home for more money.

The Package Pest. The PP goes on package tours to Cuba where he is ferried from the airport to sit by a hotel pool drinking frosty drinks served by locals speaking English. When he goes home he regales all with details on how travel to Cuba has given him deep insight into Castro politics.

The Hogwan Burnout. The HB returns to the home country and feels a strange mix of emotions, because he likes to talk about how bad the food and the job was, but at times he misses the novelty and/or the women.

I don't want to be any of them! But sometimes maybe I talk too much about Korea because it's all I know when I'm here. It takes me a few days to deprogram, and from there I only talk about it with people who ask me what it's like.

Ken:>
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I truly hate guys who tell long stories of their travels..........

..........."Yeah, one time we were high in the Afghan-Kashmir mountains and we met these hashish smugglers who sold us some primo...." Shut up!!!



I think that's why the "recommend some music" thread is weird--too much: oh, here is some Alpha Belbeo, great stuff, and for those of you who like Free Masterminds of the Panama Canal, you'll probably enjoy Ripe Cherry, and hey Sheep Turds Don't Float's latest album is amazing! But for my more offbeat days I usually go for some Bragging Saints, though their earlier stuff is not up to snuff, certainly nothing compared to the southeast African rock band Dingu-Fulawi...
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But there's a flip side to this, I have been to at least 50 countries in my time and spent all last year in India, Europe and Southeast Asia and I want to tell people about studying Urdu in the Himalayas and the bus ride from Srinigar to Leh; or how I was in Berlin when the wall came down and knocked a chunk out of it with a sledgehammer that was later stolen by some soldiers from the neighboring infantry company in our battalion, the bastards; or the two months I hiked up Sumatra during the lead-up to Megwati's election and how I watched the Indonesian parliament tally their votes to cheers and jeers on a blackboard on a black and white TV in the pouring jungle rain at a highwayside shop cum gasi noreng place that actually sold warm bottles of Guinness(which is locally produced at a brewery in Jakarta!) even though my host and all the local guys I was sitting with(but not exchanging a word with as no one spoke English) were Muslim--they were Muslims who liked a good beer, and...oh, I'm doing it aren't I?

But these are the things that make up our lives and who we are and who wouldn't like to talk about them?

The problems are two:

First, some people are fascinated, but a bunch of others are either jealous or ambivalent or naturally hostile bastards whose reactions run the spectrum from annoyed to incensed when a world-traveller starts rattling off anecdotes, when they shouldn't feel so self-conscious.

Second, they feel self-conscious because we have romanticized travel and "adventure" into something much more exotic than it is. I like Pico Iyer's take on the new expat generation--it's just one of the many accessible options available to just about anyone these days--it's not like any of us have hopped on steamers like Melville, Conrad or Snyder for years or decades of manly reflection on the high seas: we're either business people, travellers, raver tourists or neo-hippies(with a few ESLers thrown in) travelling in what cannot really be considered a very spartan or hazardous manner. I really don't think what we do is any more fulfilling, rewarding or cool than my brother raising kids and having a mortgage.

It's just different. And my credit rating sucks.


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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
Hehe-- I think there are three categories.

The Bohemian Backpacker. The BB hangs out on Khao San road buying pirate discs and getting henna tattooes to match the hemp clothing while drinking beer and discussing Cambodia. Periodically he calls home for more money.

The Package Pest. The PP goes on package tours to Cuba where he is ferried from the airport to sit by a hotel pool drinking frosty drinks served by locals speaking English. When he goes home he regales all with details on how travel to Cuba has given him deep insight into Castro politics.

The Hogwan Burnout. The HB returns to the home country and feels a strange mix of emotions, because he likes to talk about how bad the food and the job was, but at times he misses the novelty and/or the women.

I don't want to be any of them! But sometimes maybe I talk too much about Korea because it's all I know when I'm here. It takes me a few days to deprogram, and from there I only talk about it with people who ask me what it's like.

Ken:>


You forgot the new beast: The Based Brit Raver. Those guys and gals who are also sitting on KSR but sputtering in an overdone Northern accent about how they have worked out their transportation schedule so perfectly they won't miss a single Full Moon Party on the Gulf or the Ocean and will still make it down to Bali for the final party of the season, and just in time to catch their flight over to Australia for another work-holiday so they can save up to do it all over again next year. And the next one. And the one after that...
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Will YOU be a travel snob? Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
I always assumed that travel would make a person more interesting. Apparently not.


It does, but yeah, only if they're talking to someone else who has traveled. When I was a teen, I never got along with my grandfather. But when I was back home last time a few summers ago, I was sitting at the airport with him, as he was seeing me off, and he started talking about his days in the navy in the Phillipines. I saw a totally different and totally awesome side of him that I never even knew existed. He was over there getting into all sorts of trouble and doing the typical young guy thing. I was like "Wow, he gets me!"

I also was pretty familiar with a friend's dad back home, but we never talked. I stopped by one time after having been to Korea, and I didn't realize he had served over here. We started talking about that, and he was going on about his time in Daegu, and I gained a new appreciation for him, though I never cared much for him before that.

Seeing different sides of people like that always rocks. I can't stand people who've never even left the US, and they apparently can't stand people who prattle on and on about it.


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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't go over my detailed stories at all, but I throw things in sometimes when someone asked why I changed. For example, I use to be a bit more shy before Asia. When I went home, we were are the bar outside waiting for a patio table (this is right on the Atlantic). I got tired of waiting and just got up, asked some girls if we could use their table when they were done, and walked back (my French was a little rusty though Wink ). They all looked at me like I had just grown two heads and I just told them in China you sometimes have to be a bit more aggressive than your typical Canadian finding a place to sit (or for the waitress to come over Wink). I make sure that none of the things Westerners find rude ever go back to Canada though.

I never bring it up, and give general ideas of life, never detailed stories unless they are really funny, like me asking my cute Japanese co-worker, "Can I see your c**t?" instead of asking, "Can I see your name stamp?". (manko, hanko)
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been to 31 countries and my sister to over 50, and we're the two biggest travel snobs you could possibly meet. At family gatherings we must be insufferable.

Seriously, though, after all the strange shit I've seen here I don't think that anyone's going go believe me.
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