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Bush's Best Solution for NK Crisis

 
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:14 am    Post subject: Bush's Best Solution for NK Crisis Reply with quote

Let Japan do away with Article 9 in their constitution.

It's time for them to militarize again.

I can't wait. A nuclear Japan with a huge army. It makes me smile. Laughing
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me think of a WWE tag-team match. Everytime, there's a point where one member has been in the ring for 10 minutes taking a pounding, and is crawling towards the corner to make the tag. Japan is the guy reaching over the ropes, shaking in anticipation for the opportunity to get in there and clean up.
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otis



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
Makes me think of a WWE tag-team match. Everytime, there's a point where one member has been in the ring for 10 minutes taking a pounding, and is crawling towards the corner to make the tag. Japan is the guy reaching over the ropes, shaking in anticipation for the opportunity to get in there and clean up.


Yeah, it is a lot of fun.

I just want to see all of Asia go crazy when the Japanese announce they are a nuclear power.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N.Korean envoy: Pressure could trigger war
By ROD McGUIRK, Associated Press Writer

CANBERRA, Australia - North Korea's ambassador to Australia warned Sunday that international attempts to halt his nation's missile tests could lead to war.

In a letter to The Sunday Herald Sun newspaper in the southern city of Melbourne, Ambassador Chon Jae Hong defended last week's missile launches as "routine military exercises" aimed at increasing the nation's "capacity for self-defense."

He said North Korean's missile program and tests were key to keeping the balance of force in northeast Asia.

"It is a lesson taught by history and a stark reality of international relations, proven by the Iraqi crisis, that the upsetting of the balance of force is bound to create instability and spark even a war," Chon said.

North Korea "will have no option but to take stronger physical actions of other forms, should any country dare take issue with the exercises and put pressure upon it," he added.

The tests have rattled the region and beyond. One of the missiles was believed capable of reaching U.S. shores, while the others could easily reach Japan.

North Korea stunned Tokyo in 1998 by firing a missile over the archipelago.

Prime Minister John Howard has condemned the seven missile tests as provocative and endorsed calls for the U.N. Security Council to take action.

Japan has proposed a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for sanctions against Pyongyang's missile and weapons of mass destruction programs. The United States, Britain and France support it but the other two veto-empowered members of the council, China and Russia, are opposed.

Diplomatic efforts to broker a breakthrough gathered speed Sunday, when Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso saying Russia may abstain from voting on the resolution, isolating China as the sole country voicing opposition.

"China will be backed into a corner," Aso said on the TV Asahi morning talk show Sunday Project. "It's only common sense not to do that."

Nine of 15 votes on the Security Council are needed to pass the resolution.

Supporters decided at a meeting Friday afternoon not to call for a vote over the weekend after some council members asked for more time to consider the resolution.
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This stuff has been going on for years.

Every seven years or so, North Korea rattles its sabre so that America will pay them off to play nicely in the sandbox.

I don't understand why anyone is surprised.

What gets me are the liberals who are angry at Bush because he won't be swayed by nuclear blackmail. What's he supposed to do? Give in? Give in to a country with gulags that that put the Communist prisons of the Chinese and Soviet Union to shame?

This is a country that starves its own people. This is a country that imprisons anyone who dissents. But that's not all. They imprison the entire family of the dissidents.

Go google North Korean gulags and see some of the outrageous atrocities described by those fortunate enough to escape.

The Chinese and South Koreans are afraid because, if somehow the North Korean government is undermined, they'll be swimming in starving refugees. But right is right. Sometimes you got to make a stand.

I just hope Bush doesn't cave in to the blackmail.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
North Korea's ambassador to Australia warned Sunday that international attempts to halt his nation's missile tests could lead to war.


North Korea's ambassador to Australia warned Sunday that [fill in the blank] could lead to war.

Options:
1. Not giving us aid
2. Making fun of Kim Il Jong's hairline
3. Canceling Desperate Housewives
4. Preference for tastes great over less filling
5. Sending us cereal multi-packs with too many of those damn Special K boxes that no one ever eats.

Ken:>
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

otis wrote:
This stuff has been going on for years.

Every seven years or so, North Korea rattles its sabre so that America will pay them off to play nicely in the sandbox.

I don't understand why anyone is surprised.

What gets me are the liberals who are angry at Bush because he won't be swayed by nuclear blackmail. What's he supposed to do? Give in? Give in to a country with gulags that that put the Communist prisons of the Chinese and Soviet Union to shame?

This is a country that starves its own people. This is a country that imprisons anyone who dissents. But that's not all. They imprison the entire family of the dissidents.

Go google North Korean gulags and see some of the outrageous atrocities described by those fortunate enough to escape.

The Chinese and South Koreans are afraid because, if somehow the North Korean government is undermined, they'll be swimming in starving refugees. But right is right. Sometimes you got to make a stand.

I just hope Bush doesn't cave in to the blackmail.


Why and more importantly, how am I actually agreeing with you ??? Your wife wrote that, right? That can't be you. Shocked
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

otis wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:
Makes me think of a WWE tag-team match. Everytime, there's a point where one member has been in the ring for 10 minutes taking a pounding, and is crawling towards the corner to make the tag. Japan is the guy reaching over the ropes, shaking in anticipation for the opportunity to get in there and clean up.


Yeah, it is a lot of fun.

I just want to see all of Asia go crazy when the Japanese announce they are a nuclear power.


I really hope this happens.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
otis wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:
Makes me think of a WWE tag-team match. Everytime, there's a point where one member has been in the ring for 10 minutes taking a pounding, and is crawling towards the corner to make the tag. Japan is the guy reaching over the ropes, shaking in anticipation for the opportunity to get in there and clean up.


Yeah, it is a lot of fun.

I just want to see all of Asia go crazy when the Japanese announce they are a nuclear power.


I really hope this happens.



I am not sure how North Korea can simply survive on its own. If it significantly upsets its allies like China and Russia then they may decide it is up to support stricter sanctions. The North Koreans seem to help fuel Japanese nationalism to some extent. The Japanese, in general, are getting worried about its neighbors. I am not sure what the U.S. can do at the moment except to eventually win Russia and China to its side if the North Koreans don't parlay into those six-party-talks. I am not against bi-lateral talks between the U.S. and North Korea if there is a process of some kind of profound change in North Korea and a willingness to gradually open up to inspection, some economic change, and there be some accountability for any aid that goes to the country.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem: N. Korea may have nukes--the proliferation of nukes.

Solution: Encourage Japan to go nuclear.


Is that the best solution?
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

otis wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:
Makes me think of a WWE tag-team match. Everytime, there's a point where one member has been in the ring for 10 minutes taking a pounding, and is crawling towards the corner to make the tag. Japan is the guy reaching over the ropes, shaking in anticipation for the opportunity to get in there and clean up.


Yeah, it is a lot of fun.

I just want to see all of Asia go crazy when the Japanese announce they are a nuclear power.


Well, Asia has no gratitude for the fact that the US has been working hard to keep that region nuclear-free, suppressing South Korean nuclear programs and dissuading the Japanese from theirs.

The better the co-operation between the US and Japan, the less needful it will be for Japan to go nuclear. However, the resulting compromise might end in Japan losing Article 9 but staying conventional.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget it. Go in there and take out Kim Jong Shmuck and his crew with a group of say 8 to 10 (disavowed, well-paid mercenaries). Take him and the top dawgs down and you have no government. Good bye problem.
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