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Federer: best ever?
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Best ever?
yes.
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no.
53%
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Federer: best ever? Reply with quote

Notice, I didnt say greatest. That will come in time. But on ability, will and character is he the best ever? I would say yes. If he ends up winning that French Open I think that should catapult him above pretty much anyone. ESPECIALLY if he does it as part of a Grand Slam. The sky though is the limit for the guy as he should be pretty much unbeatable on grass and hard courts. Anyway, 4 Wimbeldon titles in a row, thats just amazing.
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tennis?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes.
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tennis is a fairy nice sport.

Me and the boys down at the gay bar just love to watch it.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Takes a really repressed homosexual to use the "gay" insult.
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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Cool. Takes a really repressed homosexual to use the "gay" insult.


Who says I'm repressed?

I've been out the closet for years.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly Otis's very childish, lower class and painfully demotic sense of humour is a curse on decent threads, Jinju, and it's down to outstanding Dave's Warriors like me to rescue them.

I've not seen this year's Wimbledon at all, so my opinion is worth less than would normally be the case.

I say no. I say Pete Samprass is the best of all time and many people who know a great deal about the game, including former greats such as John McEnroe, agree with me. Sampras could do everything - bassline tennis, at-the-net, power AND flair. He had everything and was a hero of mine in my teenage years during the 1990s.

I'd LOVE to watch modern day Federer v Sampras in his prime. I wouldn't bet against Big Pete. Federer's a great, he's so awesome, but Sampras was an invincible destroyer.

Totally gets to me how Sampras has a boring "all power, all serve" reputation. It's complete shlt.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before Federer hits 30 he will have 15-20 grand slam titles on his resume and atleast one or two Grand Slams. He is just so good. I think he is the best ever and he is probbaly much more versetile than Samprass as far as surfaces go. 1:1 I would bet on Roger against a prime Samprass. Anyway, we will see. Its a pleasure to watch Roger play.
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ajstew



Joined: 04 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject: The Best Reply with quote

"I say no. I say Pete Sampras is the best of all time and many people who know a great deal about the game, including former greats such as John McEnroe, agree with me. Sampras could do everything - bassline tennis, at-the-net, power AND flair. He had everything and was a hero of mine in my teenage years during the 1990s. I'd LOVE to watch modern day Federer v Sampras in his prime. I wouldn't bet against Big Pete. Federer's a great, he's so awesome, but Sampras was an invincible destroyer. Totally gets to me how Sampras has a boring "all power, all serve" reputation. It's complete shlt." Spinoza

Federer is the best ever. Pete Sampras is just a little less one dimensional than Andy Roddick is today. It's amazing what the guy accomplished with a backhand as poor as his was... and quite frankly, in this age of heavy top-spin forehands... his forehand wouldn't hold up either. And most people who know the game... contrary to what Spinoza says, suggest that Federer is the best ever. Sampras did have a great serve... that's true, and it's a good thing because without it, he wouldn't have had enough to win on the tour consistently. Sampras could do everything? He couldn't win from the baseline and he had little flair. A modern day Federer v Sampras would end in a Federer win... and probably not even a close win. Federer returns fast serves, in my opinion, better than any before him, and he would get that important break of serve when needed, either in the set or in the tiebreak.

I think it's pretty sad, to hear Sampras say something along the lines of "If I played Federer today, he would have his hands full." Yeah right. He'd mop the floor with you.
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Merlyn



Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I say Pete Samprass is the best of all time and many people who know a great deal about the game, including former greats such as John McEnroe, agree with me. Sampras could do everything - bassline tennis, at-the-net, power AND flair. He had everything and was a hero of mine in my teenage years during the 1990s.

I'd LOVE to watch modern day Federer v Sampras in his prime. I wouldn't bet against Big Pete. Federer's a great, he's so awesome, but Sampras was an invincible destroyer.


Got to disagree with you here as well. All McEnroe every says is that Federer is the best ever. And I would agree with him. It is just a matter of time till he passes him in grand slam wins. Comparing the two players is so easy to do. Sampras like ajstew said had a serve, and was playing in a weaker era even though Sampras would like to say it was tougher, it just isn't true. We already saw how Sampras plays Federer in his prime, he loses, which he did in a previous Wimbledon, and that wasn't even Federer in his prime.
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diablo3



Joined: 11 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, don't ever say Federer is the best until he wins all of them.

Don't call Sampras or McEnroe or Edberg or Becker or Lendl or whoever the greates until they actually win Wimbledon, the French Open, the US Open, and the Australian Open.

Any idea which player in the modern era won all 4? One guess ....
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jinju



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diablo3 wrote:
Well, don't ever say Federer is the best until he wins all of them.
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I call him the best because his level of play is above anyone who ever played. This man does not lose more than one or 2 matches A YEAR. I didnt say he was the greatest because that will be decided at some time in the future when he passes everyone in terms of grand slams won. The ONLY peson standing in his way to winning all 4 is Nadal. There isnt another man on the planet who can stop him in France. So we will have to wait and see, but I think Federer will eventually win them all.
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diablo3



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When he does, then I will agree with you that is is the greatest ever.

Most top ranking players always win 3 out of 4 grand slams.
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Jasobang



Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a different age in the tennis world, comparisons are useless. Who is to say that any one player, from one generation, could beat any other player from another. I'm sure either Sampras or Federer would have raised their game in what-ever area needed to compete with each other. Predictions are useless.

Sampras was dominating because of his serve and volley style of game. Contrary to what many say, he was a baseliner originally. He changed his game as the game changed. That was why he could have such a great rivalry with Agassi for all those years.

Federer is just a perfectionist. He has a complete game. He can serve and volley or sit back a exchange ground strokes all day. What's interesting is watching him compete with Nadal. Nadal is king on clay and Federer is in the process of showing just how great he is by elevating his game. This rivalry will set in stone his greatest in the end.
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jasobang wrote:
It's a different age in the tennis world, comparisons are useless. Who is to say that any one player, from one generation, could beat any other player from another. I'm sure either Sampras or Federer would have raised their game in what-ever area needed to compete with each other. Predictions are useless.

Sampras was dominating because of his serve and volley style of game. Contrary to what many say, he was a baseliner originally. He changed his game as the game changed. That was why he could have such a great rivalry with Agassi for all those years.

Federer is just a perfectionist. He has a complete game. He can serve and volley or sit back a exchange ground strokes all day. What's interesting is watching him compete with Nadal. Nadal is king on clay and Federer is in the process of showing just how great he is by elevating his game. This rivalry will set in stone his greatest in the end.


You're right. Federer can do it all. The best person to judge would be the guy who played them both a lot.......Agassi. Even Agassi gave the nod to Federer over Sampras. Agassi said that Sampras was great but that Federer was simply perfect.......no weaknesses. The guy's a machine.
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