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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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Holy farking christ! This is so beyond I don't even...
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| The woman's got cerebral palsy, which means she could be mentally not all there. Maybe we should let the judge have a go at looking at all the information we didn't get off of an internet article. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| The woman's got cerebral palsy, which means she could be mentally not all there. Maybe we should let the judge have a go at looking at all the information we didn't get off of an internet article. |
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It's off the Calgary Herald. It is from a newspaper.
Dude, don't you think the facts speak for themselves? If it was a man and not a woman, would you ask "maybe we should ask the judge?"
pleaseeeeee. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
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It's off the Calgary Herald. It is from a newspaper.
Dude, don't you think the facts speak for themselves?
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OK, it is a newspaper article...sorry, but my point is that there's probably a lot of detail and nuance that any article, newspaper or otherwise, isn't going to capture. The judge heard a lot more than we did.
Crucial of these is mental ability. This is something we don't know, so "the facts" that are speaking for themselves aren't complete. Are they?
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If it was a man and not a woman, would you ask "maybe we should ask the judge?"
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What does gender have to do with it? If there's a guy who potentially is mentally diminished then he get's the same benefit of the doubt from me. Hopefully, the courts are about justice rather than revenge and moral outrage. |
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pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| my point is that there's probably a lot of detail and nuance that any article, newspaper or otherwise, isn't going to capture. The judge heard a lot more than we did. |
I disagree with your point. Most of the time, all we have to go on is a newspaper article, maybe a TV interview or two if we're lucky. Of course a judge will always have more evidence to go on. We should be free to make judgments on what we have. If more evidence comes our way, we're also free to change our minds.
Are we never to voice our opinions on other cases, say, OJ's -- just because we were never present at the trials? How about Clinton's impeachment proceedings? Sure, we as individuals can obtain transcripts, but surely you do not expect the average opinionated person to go out of his way to do such a thing.
As for the article, that woman got off damn easy. And that's sickening. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| pocketfluff wrote: |
We should be free to make judgments on what we have. If more evidence comes our way, we're also free to change our minds.
Are we never to voice our opinions on other cases, say, OJ's -- just because we were never present at the trials? |
Granted PF it's a good point, and, as long as people recognise that these are just uninformed opinions then I have no problem with people making those kinds of judgements. I'm not saying that anyone here is doing it either, but on occasion discussion on these sorts of stories has people forming an online mob complete with virtual torches.
Thing is when people make uninformed opinions they usually have to use some prior experience or viewpoint to fill in the missing pieces. Maybe some people think she was malicious and evil to do this, some people think she was misguided and tragic.
Personally my opinion has that judges have discretion to use compassion in sentencing, and for someone who has cerebral palsy, is confined to a wheelchair, possibly has diminished mental capacity, and has such low self worth to be in a dominating "relationship" with a paedophile - perhaps compassion is an OK thing to be employing.
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She's disabled enough to be confinfed to a wheelchair and the kid is six. What exactly does the reporter mean when he says "they had sex". It's just enough information to provoke outrage, but it doesn't seem that straightforward. |
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animalbirdfish
Joined: 04 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| What I want to know is what community service will she be doing. Simply picking up trash at the local park could probably take her the full sixty hours. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Where's that guy with the signature line picture that says Canada is America done right? That seems like it would be hilariously ironic right about now. 
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Whether it's this case or the kid thriwing a huge rock off a bridge and killing a bus driver or Kelly Ellard and the murder of Reena Virk, the Canadian justice system si far too harsh in its sentences. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| Whether it's this case or the kid thriwing a huge rock off a bridge and killing a bus driver or Kelly Ellard and the murder of Reena Virk, the Canadian justice system si far too harsh in its sentences. |
Don't you mean far too leniant? |
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Natalia
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| Whether it's this case or the kid thriwing a huge rock off a bridge and killing a bus driver or Kelly Ellard and the murder of Reena Virk, the Canadian justice system si far too harsh in its sentences. |
Don't you mean far too leniant? |
I certainly hope so.
Another example of why I am rapidly losing faith in the general sanity of the Canadian legal system came a few months ago. They now allow Indian Sikhs to carry daggers to school - 'religious reasons'. WTF?!
In all my years living in India I never once met a Sikh who carried a dagger. And yet Canadian Sikhs felt the need to fight for the right? 
My best friend growing up was a Sikh. Her family didn't own a dagger. Canada apparently likes to think their 'tolerance' makes them better, or something, rather than seeing stupidity for what it is: stupidity.
To the people who saying we should cut this woman slack because of her disability. She was capable of meeting and socialising with a man, and sending pornographic pictures over the internet, and we are supposed to buy the idea she had no idea what she was doing when she had sex with her son?! I think her disability has been incredibly convenient for her in this case. If she made the choice to have a child, I'm sure as hell she was fully aware raping her young son was wrong. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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No.
The Canadain justice system is known worldwide for being unfair and punitive. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
No.
The Canadain justice system is known worldwide for being unfair and punitive. |
Pardon moi?
According to whom?
For instance, are you aware of alternate measures sentencing? This is used for Native Indians in Canada who appear in Provincial Courts. There is a very big problem with natives being in jails, prisons, and penitentiaries, so now native elders and other native community leaders participate in sentencing and alternative measures to incarceration. I've personally seen judges give lighter sentences or no sentence at all, but for community service, to natives due to the alternative measures programme. I used to cover Provincial Courts for a local newspaper. Judging by our Liberal-dominated governments, and by our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as well as our non-privatized correctional facilities, I would be very interested to see the source of your opinions. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
No.
The Canadain justice system is known worldwide for being unfair and punitive. |
Damn straight. They might as well change Canada's name to "Texas II, son of Walker". |
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