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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: North Koreans very brave???!!! Reply with quote

I love my students but this made me want to go off....my student asked me what I thought of North Korea. I said I liked North Koreans I just didn't like Kim Jung Il. I in turn asked her what she thought and she replied: "I think N.Korea is very brave because America is very strong and N.Korea is very weak."

I let the conversation stop there b/c I didn't want to get too fired up...but it's safe to assume she was referring to the recent missile test....or failure rather. The very act is cowardly.....that regime has always tried to blackmail to get what they want but never go so far as to really provoke an engagement. Meanwhile their leaders thump their chests boast of the capabilities to wipe out America in a full out war.

The whole comment "N. Korea is very brave" is so ridiculous that I would've laughed out loud I wasn't sure she was serious.

How do ya'll deal with situations like this in a professional manner??
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I am watching LOTR III now and you just died. What do you think of that Wink

Anyways, there is such a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Kim boy is way on the stupid side.
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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fool! No man can kill me!

No british mum pretending to be a man can kill me either! My spirit lives!!!

I'll be back in Lord of the Rings 4: Sauron's Revenge. Which is inevitable given the total revenues of the first trilogy.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MorgolKing wrote:
Fool! No man can kill me!

No british mum pretending to be a man can kill me either! My spirit lives!!!

I'll be back in Lord of the Rings 4: Sauron's Revenge. Which is inevitable given the total revenues of the first trilogy.

Laughing
Yogurt said that too, but no Spaceballs II: The Search for More Money was ever made... Maybe a prequel Morgie, maybe a prequel Wink
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, normally I'd say the Korean student is probably limited in giving a detailed answer with all the nuances explained, but you're the teacher so I guess you know what she's capabale of...

But in any case what is there to get upset about?? It's her opinion. Is what she thinks SO wrong that there's no way that couldn't be a resonable answer??

If this is pushing your buttons I'm guessing your professionalism is in for a lot of challenges.


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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for a prequel--Only if I get a signing bonus of 2 million dollars and a new castle in the Shire.

To answer why I got so worked up--maybe it's in light of recent news that has revealed Korean youth admire Kim Jung Il for working for Korean Unity and are more likely to view America as the enemy. Maybe I have a short fuse, but that just chaps me.....
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Natalia



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MorgolKing wrote:
Fool! No man can kill me!

No british mum pretending to be a man can kill me either! My spirit lives!!!

I'll be back in Lord of the Rings 4: Sauron's Revenge. Which is inevitable given the total revenues of the first trilogy.


Well the actress is Australian.

Sorry, off topic.

I guess this is just another example of Korean children being brainwashed into hating the West at the same time as aspiring to be just like (and probably live in) the West.
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shoeboy



Joined: 23 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever. I dont care if ya like um or hate um, North Korea has alot of balls. For decades they stood up to the west like noone else. Even when the real commies abandoned them in favor of the south they kept pulling sh*t. They dont even care if they piss off china anymore. And as far as them getting their ass kicked, I think that they think they can win a fight against the west. Not a taking over the south kind of victory but kick enough ass to survive the fight. Not that I belive they could, but they think they can.
As far as them never going far enough to provoke an engagment...1993 went very close...and that was when daddy was in charge.
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MorgolKing



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree--imo their only tactic is blackmail. The threaten as far as they think they can, whether it be test firing missiles or backing out of nuclear treaties. Their goal is to get attention and desperately needed supplies/energy. I don't believe they ever really intend to go through with their threats. At least not until they're really backed into a corner...which might be the situation shortly. Anyways their only export is weapons. I think their real threat is when they sell their weapons to potential terrorists. They've even offered to sell weapons to us, but we turned them down and so they have to use their only resource in other ways....and thus the threats.
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Imbroglio



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going to be a long and bloody battle when it does go down.
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Gideon



Joined: 24 Feb 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its going to be long and bloody battle when it goes down. The US alone could crumble their regime.. yaya.. they have a lot of infantry.. Um sure all it would take is a few stealths to do some serious carpet bombing and its all over for NK. Course Japan might jump on the chance to rival with NK too.

As for the people of NK, I feel sorry. However, no person should have the power to brainwash their people to the extent "the dear leader" does. NK's days are running out. So be it, if the US, Japan or any other nation does some serious damage to NK. Sure there'll be collateral damage. But if the people fully knew what life could be like outside of NK they'd most likely welcome any country to bring down their "dear leader".
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm leaning towards Japan being the darkhorse surprise to pre-emptively attacking the Norks. First, we all know the Japs are sneaky, and it would also throw a monkey-wrench in the whole, who's the more evil-er: NK? USA? SK? JP?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060710/D8IP4UC81.html

TOKYO (AP) - Japan said Monday it was considering whether a pre-emptive strike on the North's missile bases would violate its constitution, signaling a hardening stance ahead of a possible U.N. Security Council vote on Tokyo's proposal for sanctions against the regime.

Japan was badly rattled by North Korea's missile tests last week and several government officials openly discussed whether the country ought to take steps to better defend itself, including setting up the legal framework to allow Tokyo to launch a pre-emptive strike against Northern missile sites.

"If we accept that there is no other option to prevent an attack ... there is the view that attacking the launch base of the guided missiles is within the constitutional right of self-defense. We need to deepen discussion," Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
that regime has always tried to blackmail to get what they want but never go so far as to really provoke an engagement.


hmm..wouldn't that be seen as a smart use of brinksmanship diplomacy?

They get concessions and do not go to war..hmm..yes the other option is far better: open war. Laughing

The regime of Dear leader is horrid and the day it falls will be a good one. However, he does know how to play the one card he holds and how to use regional dynamics to his advantage.

As for Japan attacking NK...now thats humour! Laughing

No one will "pre-empt" NK folks..wake up and smell the tea here. The cost and regional dynamics are just no favorable to attacking that regime.

As for the whole the US would crumble their regime...this is not Iraq and Saddam here...different terrain, different army, different regional players...hello China is in NK's backyard and they sure would not look too kindly on some cowboy-like attack by the US...what idiotic president would attack NK and damage the relationship with China?

Also to consider are the massive and inevitable casualties that SK would incurr. This is not some Steven Seagal movie where the Special Ops swoop in, bag the bad guys and no one suffers...have you looked at a map lately and seen how close Seoul (14 million people) is to the border..heck it is in heavy artillery range! No matter how high tech a US assault would be it is impossible they would get most of the artillery before Seoul got the crap bombed out of it.

What about the after offensive? You don't think the forces of dear leader will just surrender now do you? Look at the Korean war...

It is all too easy to over-simplify this issue and to fall into the nintendo-war trap of "we will mop them up and it will be better".

Dear Leader is a dictator of the worst kind...but sometimes the costs of an action are too high.

Also, how could the US get involved when they are stuck in the nightmare of Iraq, have problems with recruitment and have an over stretched military??

You think Japan is going to invade another asian country...yeah thats gonna happen.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The student's views are fairly typical of the young generation. It suits them to see North Korea as 'tough'. If you want to be confrontational you could ask them what they think of the way Kim Jong Il treats the North Korean people, and then ask them what they think they should do to help their northern relatives in their plight.

North Korea understands quite well that it's a useful bad guy for the US as it justifies US troop presence both here and in Japan. It will always use its provocations as a way to negotiate further US aid and it will always break whatever agreements it makes in exchange for said aid a few years down the line so that the cycle can continue. This suits US interests just fine. It also gets large numbers of US voters sufficiently hot under the collar that they get behind continued US military spending.

Also this is a great way for NK to advertise its missiles to interested buyers in Iran etc.

The only thing new is Japan's newly war-willing posture.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact..if you want to be clear about it...the recent missile lauches by NK suited the US just fine as they might shift Japanese public opinion in favour of Japan buying into the National Missile Defence system (NMD) developed by the US military....the wheel keeps on turning.
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