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dulouz
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Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: The Beatles - Champions of Race Hate? |
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Liverpool Won't Rename Penny Lane, Despite Slavery Ties
Monday, July 10, 2006
LONDON � Penny Lane will keep its name.
Liverpool officials said Saturday they would modify a proposal to rename streets linked to the slave trade when they realized the road made famous by the 1967 Beatles song was one of them.
The unassuming suburban avenue was named for James Penny, a wealthy 18th-century slave ship owner. Liverpool, the Beatles' northern English hometown, was once a major hub for the slave trade.
"I don't think anyone would seriously consider renaming Penny Lane," said city council member Barbara Mace, who has been pressing to get rid of names linked to slavery. "My proposal is to rename several of the streets and to replace them with the names of people who have done something positive."
Eric Lynch, 74, who gives tours focused on the history of Liverpool's involvement in the slave trade, said renaming any streets or squares would be a "disgraceful attempt to change history."
"It's like somebody in Germany deciding to bulldoze Auschwitz," Lynch said. "Like somebody deciding not to celebrate D-Day. If we don't know the past, how can we make sure we don't make the same mistakes? Are the monuments to the Irish famines going to go next?"
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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And I am sure they knew the history of the lane's namesake and determined to immortailise it in a song ...  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think anyone would seriously consider renaming Penny Lane," said city council member Barbara Mace, who has been pressing to get rid of names linked to slavery. |
I'm truly inspired by the integrity of this politician. |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| UK politicians have too much time on their hands. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| UK politicians have too much time on their hands. |
Marxist social engineers w/ a diabolically PC agenda  |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Marxist social engineers w/ a diabolically PC agenda |
150% true! |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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How about "Ebony & Ivory lane"?  |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Or they could name it after the unofficial "fifth Beatle" - Billy Preston, who passed away last month... |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: North Asia
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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A very indirectly related anecdote to the thread's subject matter.
An uncle of mine back home in Aus can't stand the Beatles. Blames them for drugs, disrespect for authority, the whole downfall of Western civilization! I think it was because his RAN enlistment finished at the same time as the Fab Four were making their tour of Aus and the girls weren't as keen on sailors as on British rock musicians.
Anyway, through the years, and even after Lennon's death he'd tell me that he couldn't make up his mind which of the two, Lennon or McCartney was the most iniquitous in their influence (George and Ringo he seemed to discount). A couple of years ago a letter came to light, written by Lennon to McCartney in which he accused Paul of never accepting Yoko Ono as part of his life etc. My uncle then said, "Now I know which one is worse. That Lennon fella was bad but McCartney, he's a racist"!
Back to Penny Lane, I doubt the Beatles would have known the street's historical provenance. Most likely thought it was named after the English currency. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting little anecdote there, Mr. Jungle. Post more of them, please. |
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| YTB, no more anecdotes from me for the next six weeks or so. Booked almost solid for English Camps for the next month (will probably have to teach some Beatles songs!) and then two weeks holiday in Aus after that. |
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