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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: hellish dinners Reply with quote

Is anyone sick and tired of the whole group dinner thing?
Its every week in some form or other..

Dinner torture 1:You can't understand Korean. So they talk korean around you for 2 hours, occasionally stopping to wake you up with some obilgatory "hows the weather" comment. Its like slow torture.After a few hours you haven't understood 99% of whats been discussed around you. And you know that some of it was about you. By the tone of it, it seems they have arrived at some patronsing or negative conclusions about you.

Dinner torture 2: The level of english spoken is fairly good. You communicate well but soon realise the conversation revolves around people aiming barbed silly comments at eachother to score points.

Dinner torture 3 Korean males are present and try to control the whole thing endlessly by acting the host. Nothing gets said or done without their intervention, they must be in charge of everything.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You haven't learned to play the group dinner game, have you? These things can be majorly painful or a good time, depending on your skill as a foreigner.

Rule #1: Don't let anyone but you control who sits next to you. As everyone is trooping in, you have to say, "Hey, Yoo! I have something to talk to you about. (Yoo being the funniest/most entertaining student/co-worker in the group.) Sit here."

Rule #2: When the eating slows down and after you have dominated Yoo's dinner conversation, excuse yourself and slide down to the next least-objectionable student. Knock back as much soju as you can comfortably handle. Chat away. By now, the soju you consumed with Yoo should have triggered your conversational brilliance.

Rule #3: Stay with this group or move to the next least objectionable person until everyone starts acting restless and someone says, "Kap-shi-da." At this point, and only at this point, go up to the losers in the crowd and apologize profusely for not getting around to talking to them during the dinner.

Rule #4: Repeat #1-3 at every group dinner.

Free food and booze are part of the charm of Korea, but you do have to know how to play the game. If anyone is still suffering boring group dinners after their 3rd dinner, it is their own fault.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ya-ta Boy"]
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You haven't learned to play the group dinner game, have you? These things can be majorly painful or a good time, depending on your skill as a foreigner.

Rule #1: Don't let anyone but you control who sits next to you. As everyone is trooping in, you have to say, "Hey, Yoo! I have something to talk to you about. (Yoo being the funniest/most entertaining student/co-worker in the group.) Sit here."


Some interesting ideas, I'll bear them in mind. Rule #1 works if you're first in. However if theres someone you want, then your brazen show of enthusiam can be too forward.

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Rule #2: When the eating slows down and after you have dominated Yoo's dinner conversation, excuse yourself and slide down to the next least-objectionable student. Knock back as much soju as you can comfortably handle. Chat away. By now, the soju you consumed with Yoo should have triggered your conversational brilliance.


Hmm thats good. However I always leave the best til last cos it takes me a while to get into gear. I start with the least objectionable and go on to the most exciting prospect.

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Rule #3: Stay with this group or move to the next least objectionable person until everyone starts acting restless and someone says, "Kap-shi-da." At this point, and only at this point, go up to the losers in the crowd and apologize profusely for not getting around to talking to them during the dinner.


I suppose.

I guess the lesson is ultimately, you have to blow korean decorum sideways and tailor it to suit yurself. Thing about koreans is they stand on politeness when it suits them but lose it whenever its advantageous to do so.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When invited to dinner, you could just look sideways, suck air through your teeth, mutter "asshii" or "aigo" under your breath just loud enough for the inviter to hear and say "I do not think it possible."

The inviter (his or her natural curiousity stoked at this point) should inquire why.

You look sadly at him and say in a voice (loud enough for everyone else to hear) "Oh it is very big problem. I can't talk about it now."

This will have the effect of driving everyone insane with wondering what this problem is.

After evading a few questions let it be known that you are suffering from stomach cramps and headaches...and have been all day. You need to get home and rest.

They will then ask "Why didn't you say something?"

At that point put on your best martyred face and say " I didn't want to disappoint the students/bother other people with my problems.....










OR you could do what I do and just say "Sorry I have made other plans."
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be an uptight arsehole if you can't enjoy a free dinner with free booze. I was lucky enough to go to a few of them last year where the place I worked at had like 30 teachers. We'd all pile up into the restaurant, even the bus drivers, and have a damn good time. Did I sit around hoping people would speak English to me? Noooo.... I took the initiative to start conversations. Or, I'd impress them with my ability to say hello in Korean or something. But man... to just sit there and whine about how people aren't catering to you? Yeesh.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However if theres someone you want, then your brazen show of enthusiam can be too forward.



Silly and totally wrong perception of what is going on around you.

You are a teacher. Students can't step on your shadow.

I'm not saying jump up on the table and blare out, "Get your ass over here and talk to me." I'm saying when you arrive at the meeting place that you paste a grin on your face as if you were delighted to see everyone and exhaust your repertoire of meaningless chit chat with the least interesting people in the crowd. Save the good stuff for later. As everyone migrates into the restaurant, assert your teacherhood status with a smile and invite the entertaining sorts over to sit beside you/opposite you.

You do have to have a bit of a flare. If you are just going to cringe and allow someone to sit you in the center of the crowd with the oldest people next to you, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

I'm saying use your position as the foreign teacher to your advantage, but do it with a bit of class. If you have no class, then there is not help for you. Go back home and eat cereal for supper again. Alone.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: hellish dinners Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Dinner torture 3: Korean males are present .


Ya, this happens to me every day. Killer.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dinner torture 1:You can't understand Korean. So they talk korean around you for 2 hours, occasionally stopping to wake you up with some obilgatory "hows the weather" comment. Its like slow torture.After a few hours you haven't understood 99% of whats been discussed around you. And you know that some of it was about you. By the tone of it, it seems they have arrived at some patronsing or negative conclusions about you.


Yep- that about sums it up. It IS amazing how much more INTERESTING I become, and how much BETTER-LOOKING the female Korean teachers become after I down 7-8 beers and some soju. Wink
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Hapkido-In



Joined: 24 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I no longer attend company dinners due to reason #1.

Unless there are going to be other native English speakers there, no one will speak English. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I don't expect Koreans to always speak English in my presence. I don't expect them to speak English at all. But since I actually value my time and don't enjoy sitting at a table trying to understand what's being said, I just don't go.

I'm lucky that I have an excuse. Everyone at work knows that I train Hapkido every day, and this has gotten me out of countless dinners. Of course, excuses are easy to come by in Korea. The "I have an appointment" excuse is awesome.

Honestly, people, don't waste your time at company dinners. Unless there's going to be another native there that you like to talk to, you're going to go nuts.
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aldershot



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: hellish dinners Reply with quote

Junior wrote:


Dinner torture 3 Korean males are present and try to control the whole thing endlessly by acting the host. Nothing gets said or done without their intervention, they must be in charge of everything.


this is just the tip of the iceberg for "dinner torture 3". you forget to mention that, once in charge, the alpha male will make it his holy quest to ensure that you're in for the rest of the night. remember the 3-tier dinner: meat, soju bang, norae bang. once you've started a night of "dinner torture 3", you're in for a nasty hangover the next day. leaving prematurely would jepordize his authority and diminish your respect from others. you'll be talked about for the rest of the night if you decide to duck out.

i usually feign severe drunkenness (slurred speach, rolling eyeballs, gag-reflex) and make a move at the right time. upon returning home, i realize i was feigning nothing.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
You must be an uptight arsehole if you can't enjoy a free dinner with free booze. I was lucky enough to go to a few of them last year where the place I worked at had like 30 teachers. We'd all pile up into the restaurant, even the bus drivers, and have a damn good time. Did I sit around hoping people would speak English to me? Noooo.... I took the initiative to start conversations. Or, I'd impress them with my ability to say hello in Korean or something. But man... to just sit there and whine about how people aren't catering to you? Yeesh.




Some of us would rather have dinner with our friends...and eat foods we like as well as a variety of foods. Eating kimchi chigae and rice EVERY time (I kid you not) when you go out for dinner gets old really fast, especially when that's been served for school lunch as well.
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