Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Butt's in a sling!? Another EPIK story

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Butt's in a sling!? Another EPIK story Reply with quote

Upon hiring, by my EPIK teacher friends, AND at our training session I was told that at EPIK you don't have to work for your summer vacation. You may have it off as you please and you may choose to do a camp. The option is yours to take and refuse.
The contract says one week "but in pratice, it is much more".
So I thought my wife and I would FINALLY take our honeymoon 2 years lter. Ahh yes, a relaxing time and a lollygagging trek through the netherlands and france. Sounds great!
Booked my plane ticket back in april. Got excited. Stayed excited.
Recieved a call at the start of June from my supervisor. "Do you have time this summer." and "I need you to work a camp at....". I explained myself and said that this trip is important. He said he'd consider it but it sounded promising.

Yesterday a mix up at the office and the Englsh speaking teachers had all left. The words "camp" and "when do you go to Europe" are bandied about and I start to stress a bit. The words "yeon su" and "training" occur.
Strange.
Today I am told by my English speaking teacher something along these lines:
"Korean teachers are paid through the summer because Korean teachers work through the summer"
[I asked...but do they really?]
she replies...the predictable
"no not really" and continues:
"at any rate, the office says that you should work here in busan and you should do a camp. But there is no camp for you to do so you must stay here"
[cue confused waygook face]
"However, if the principal says that it is okay for you to go, then you are permitted to go. I also talked to the head of the Elementary schools of the city and said to him that you will go to a teacher training, so you must prepare a report (and gestures with her fingers a full centimetre apart): a big report".
[cue dissmissive eyes]
"At any rate, I will talk to the principal"

Now I had said several times that I would contact my HEAD supervisor and hope that she would straighten out this mess.
My coteacher misunderstood, thinking I was talking about another supervisor and said "All of the supervisors are gone on a teacher training camp".

Now my coteacher is a wonderful woman who does a lot for me. She is an amazing woman.
My principal and I used to get along like gangbusters but, with me not being very talkative (and with volleyball season being over), I think our relationship ain't quite what it used to be. That said, he does seem to be a compassionate, and honest man. During our meeting BEFORE I was working at the school, I had talked with him SPECIFICALLY about this.
me: I need to know about summer vacation
{through a translator of course}
hiim: really?
me: Yes. I will go with my wife on my honeymoon and summer vacation is very important to me. I will do double duty if necessary in the winter but this summer, I must have time off
him: Yes of course. Summer vacation is a vacation. IT's not for working.
me: That's great. I am so glad that this will not be a problem in July.

Big smiles all around.

....sigh.... Sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
K-in-C



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Heading somewhere

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Dis ... organization Reply with quote

khyber,

I sure hope it all comes together for you and your spouse to get away this summer for a special time. Smile

Sincerely,

Kate
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fighting for every goddam inch; that's the story with EPIK/GEPIK.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
John Henry



Joined: 24 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, the word "No." Is very powerful.

You must....
No
But Korean teachers...
Ah, sorry, but no.
You must prepare a...
Oh, um...no, I am too busy.

PS...Blake? Obviously not.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

PS...Blake? Obviously not.
not at ALL sure what this is.

The word "no" is pretty powerful. But at this exact stage (ie..this month and this year") the words "you're fired" are incredibly unappealing. Had it been a year ago, OR in january of this year? NOOOOOOoooo problem. But now ain't no good.

The situation is remedied. I'm going to talk to my coteacher.
As I understood it, the principal was permitted to make the choice as to whether I had to stay in school or have my vacation; they couldn't get a camp.

Is that right? Does that meant that the principal could have made me stay in the school everyday doing nothing? I seriously don't know how GEPIK people stand for that crap. Or are you teaching camps? Cause that would be ok.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Fighting for every goddam inch; that's the story with EPIK/GEPIK.

Why stop with EPIK and GEPIK?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: Butt's in a sling!? Another EPIK story Reply with quote

khyber wrote:
Upon hiring, by my EPIK teacher friends, AND at our training session I was told that at EPIK you don't have to work for your summer vacation.



I guess you are the only one who doesn't know this is false. It's everywhere that EPIK/GEPIK gives 2 weeks off per year, including on their website.

What does it say in your contract?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Steve Schertzer



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Pusan

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khyber and anyone else in EPIK:

As an EPIK teacher in Pusan, I know for a fact that you DO NOT have to report to your school during your whooping one week holiday. That is a direct violation of the contract. I heard from my district supervisor today on this matter.

One of the big problems this year with EPIK--- besides the whooping one week in the summer and one week in the winter vacations--- is that since February of this year, the Principal of each school has been given a lot more control over our contracts. And so has each district supervisor. In other words, EPIK has become decentralized.

While some Principals and district supervisors will stick to the letter of the contract, and give us a one week vacation, other Principals and district supervisors will choose to interpret the contract more leniently, and give a teacher 3--4 weeks vacation. It now depends on the whim of our Principals and how well we "schmooze", I suppose.

Feel free to check out the "Job related forum" on www.pusanweb.com
There's a lot more information on this there.

Steve.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

I guess you are the only one who doesn't know this is false. It's everywhere that EPIK/GEPIK gives 2 weeks off per year, including on their website.
It's not a matter of "false" or not with me.
It is a matter of precedence. I have 2 very close, and half a dozen "friends" in the program in Busan who have been in it for, well, longer than 2 or 3 years. They had told me exactly what I had said.

Contract or no, for me precedence holds quite a bit of sway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I guess you are the only one who doesn't know this is false. It's everywhere that EPIK/GEPIK gives 2 weeks off per year, including on their website.

What does it say in your contract?


Sounds like he had a verbal agreement, which Koreans consider a de facto contract, when the odds are in their favor. When the odds are in your favor, however, that verbal agreement isn't worth the sweat on the palm of the hand you shook whilst making the "promise".
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
Quote:
I guess you are the only one who doesn't know this is false. It's everywhere that EPIK/GEPIK gives 2 weeks off per year, including on their website.

What does it say in your contract?


Sounds like he had a verbal agreement, which Koreans consider a de facto contract, when the odds are in their favor. When the odds are in your favor, however, that verbal agreement isn't worth the sweat on the palm of the hand you shook whilst making the "promise".


Spot on, Mack.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International