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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: An emotionally troubled student Reply with quote

There is one boy at my academy unlike any other I've ever encountered. He screams really loudly at slight teasing or even seemingly for no reason at all. It's a very unhappy screech, sounding like some animal in the wild.

I've had a few headaches after some of the classes with him, and another attention-span=zero/no English kid. The class has 12 kids. The other 10 are OK generally as basic level elem. kids go.

The emotionally troubled boy just freaks me out sometimes. He has these outbursts nearly every class. I noticed once one of his legs looked quite bruised. I'm guessing his home life is not good. He's normal-looking, of normal intelligence, not dumb, sensitive, just really loud when he screams. The secretary has taken him out of the class a few times. Sometimes he sits on the floor or under the table. I think he's in grade 3.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite possibly the victim of parental abuse.

It does happen, even here in Korea y'know.
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Natalia



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Quite possibly the victim of parental abuse.

It does happen, even here in Korea y'know.


I'd say it happens here a lot more than back home.

A book I studied with a few classes had the question, "How do we know our parents love us." Without fail, every single student answered, "Because they hit us all the time."

A lot of the 'love' taking place in Korea is considered abuse elsewhere. It makes it a little hard to draw the line with what is 'acceptable' and what isn't.
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alabamaman



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natalia wrote:
igotthisguitar wrote:
Quite possibly the victim of parental abuse.

It does happen, even here in Korea y'know.


I'd say it happens here a lot more than back home.

A book I studied with a few classes had the question, "How do we know our parents love us." Without fail, every single student answered, "Because they hit us all the time."

A lot of the 'love' taking place in Korea is considered abuse elsewhere. It makes it a little hard to draw the line with what is 'acceptable' and what isn't.


I don't think it would be difficult to draw the line with what is acceptable and what isn't when your students say, "Because they hit us all the time."
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abuse at home might be a reaction to his problem rather than the cause of it.

Do a search on Asperger syndrome, might be that.

Hopefully the school system will pick up on what ails him -- teachers are becoming more sensitized to psychological problems & special ed programs are improving.

Be kind to the child.
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, I think that you might be wondering what you can do to help this kid. Obviously you can't do anything about the home situation, but in class, give the kid LOTS of praise...even for the most simple things. Also, try to pair him with someone who won't tease him.

I once had a K student with LOTS of emotional problems, and having him sit on my lap while doing the activites worked well. It might not be appropriate for a grade 3, but give him a lot of "good" touching.

Just curious...does he have a sibling in the hagwon?
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Hapkido-In



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't think parental abuse right away with a kid that has bruises on his legs. He's most likely in Taekowndo and has been sparring. It's pretty easy to get your legs bruised up sparring. It also seems like a strange place to hit a child...on the legs.

Also, I've noticed that Korean kids love to beat each other. They play weird games where the loser gets hit. I've read countless journals of kids 'playing wrestling' that resulted in bleeding...that sort of thing.

Of course, I have no idea...but there's a few extra thoughts you can put in your head that might seem just as plausible, if not more, than the parents beating the little dude.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. I wasn't jumping to any conclusions about whatever is behind this boy's emotionality. A few replies seemed to jump to conclusions, but really we don't know. The staff at the school is a bit concerned. The teachers are aware that he gets upset easily. The thing is, he just freaks out for no obvious reason. I'll be just doing my usual thing in the classroom, and suddenly he'll burst out, and it is loud. It's a strange thing to experience.
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hugo_danner



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe meet with the parents?
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is coming again to the next session. All the teachers, Koreans too, regard him as "unpossible"
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: An emotionally troubled student Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
There is one boy at my academy unlike any other I've ever encountered. He screams really loudly at slight teasing or even seemingly for no reason at all. It's a very unhappy screech, sounding like some animal in the wild.

He's in the hall in a nanosecond. I will not tolerate such disruption. Directors quickly learn how committed I am to this as I don't quibble when they express concern, inquiring about details. Simple: behave or get out of the classroom.

I have never had a problem with this as a result. Maybe someday I'll have a director trying to play hardball and then I may have to say what I think they sense I already think: "This is the way it MUST be in my classroom. Take it or leave it. If you don't like it, find a new teacher. I won't mind."

One has to draw the line somewhere. And it IS that easy.

The key is to be consistent and unwaivering.

There are lots of challenges with teaching, but putting up with that degree of misbehaving is NOT one of them.

(i don't have the time or ability to play child psychologist for whatever motivates a kid. meet with the parents? let the director handle that. such disruptions must stop immediately, even if that means the director decides the student stops taking my class, if the problem continues s/he is put in the hall daily, for all i care. i am the opposite of heartless, but there's something i will do or not do.)
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the suggestion to research into Asperger syndrome is very very good. My best-friend is a highly functionally sufferer of asperger. It's a form of autism--they don't handle change very well that is one of the biggest symptoms.

You say that the student starts screaming for "no apparent reason". Does the screaming happen when you try to switch from one activity to another--i.e. from a game to workbook exercise or from a Q&A session to book work? A lot of times asperger kids need to be slowly transitioned from one activity to another. "Normal" kids can usually switch relatively fast from one activity to another they may whine about doing it or try to convince you to give them a couple of extra moments, but if the child has aspergers a rapid change is cause for a nuclear meltdown.

One of the best suggestions is that while the class is working on something tell them that you have 10 mins left....5 mins start getting ready to switch to ________(whatever the next activity is).....make sure you tell him specifically that he needs to start getting ready to switch. Hopefully this can make things a little easier. It might not be aspergers but it couldn't hurt to try this technique with and see if it make a difference.

Hope it helps some Smile
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't think parental abuse right away with a kid that has bruises on his legs. He's most likely in Taekowndo and has been sparring. It's pretty easy to get your legs bruised up sparring. It also seems like a strange place to hit a child...on the legs.

Sorry to say, but both Korean teachers and parents beat their children on the leg muscles. Anyone who has taught here for a while sees these marks. Another 'love hit' is beating kids on the soles of their bare feet. If you see very quiet, chastened children hobbling, they have been beaten that way. Koreans also 'love hit' children on the palm of the hand with wooden rods, and hit kids on the head with their hands.

Without exception, all my students (all ages) tell me they are beaten by their parents. And in some schools - by their teachers. Some pparents 'love hit' for serious infractions like getting low-test scores and teachers 'love hit' for failing to do impossible homework workloads.

Koreans believe that if you love a child you have to love-hit them. How this transcribes into the situation where one of my student's naughty friends was literally beaten-up by a drunk Korean male teacher while on a field trip - is beyond me.

Another, perhaps interesting point about 'love-hitting' is, most Koreans will lie when you ask them if the kids are being beaten (loss of face - yours, theirs???).

For Westerners, this is outright abuse. For Koreans, it 'love'.
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alabamaman



Joined: 25 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: An emotionally troubled student Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
There is one boy at my academy unlike any other I've ever encountered. He screams really loudly at slight teasing or even seemingly for no reason at all. It's a very unhappy screech, sounding like some animal in the wild.

I've had a few headaches after some of the classes with him, and another attention-span=zero/no English kid. The class has 12 kids. The other 10 are OK generally as basic level elem. kids go.

The emotionally troubled boy just freaks me out sometimes. He has these outbursts nearly every class. I noticed once one of his legs looked quite bruised. I'm guessing his home life is not good. He's normal-looking, of normal intelligence, not dumb, sensitive, just really loud when he screams. The secretary has taken him out of the class a few times. Sometimes he sits on the floor or under the table. I think he's in grade 3.


I used to work with emotionally troubled youth for over three years. My first group had 10 kids in it. They had add, adhd, severe anger management issues, and took medicine. It would help you to understand the kids triggers which would do you a world of good in the classroom. There were some kids in my group who were sensitive to high noise levels (equivelant to several people talking). They would exhibit emotional outbursts as a result of those noise levels. Allot of these kids would be have flashbacks and exhibit similar behaviors to your student. Write in a journal, and you will find out what works and what doesn't. Another member made a good point about reminding the student when the activity is almost over. That's an excellent idea, although I've seen "normal" students have trouble with this. Keep him seated up front at all times. If he screams remove him from the classroom. When he sits under the desk after two corrections, remove him from the classroom. Point out the good things he does everyday, and that will boost his confidence. Behaviors should improve, but it will take some time. After you make it one year, they will be begging you to stay another year!
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree remove him from the class ASAP. The other paying kids don't need that. The troubled kid, when you seem him in the hallway, give him special attention. "HEY BILLY! HOW ARE YOU!" The wang da outsider kid can sometimes really be turned around by having the foreign teacher just give him some friendly hall attention. "Teacher doesn't have a shtick with the other kids. I'm special." I've never tried it with a kid that forked up, mind you, but I've turned around some wang das.
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