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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: US trained Salvador-style death squads operating in Iraq?

Bloodshot eyes wild and rolling, saliver drooling from her tortured twisted lips, snarling and barking, consumed with blind rage and loathing for the US, and anything else at all (especially if Gopher happened to like it), Gopher's rabid reconstructed, predictible and very hysterical (always hysterical) Big_Bird wrote:

There's been a lot of talk of the US (and her allies) deliberately trying to stir up civil war in Iraq - as another pretext to dig in - remember Vietnam how the US 'had to stay' to save the Vietnamese from themselves (while of course managing to kill a few million more of them)? Here's a relevant article - carefully calculated to draw the ire of the board's faithful neocons!

http://www.newstatesman.com/200605080016

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject:

So now the US wants to cause a civil war. Even though the US supported elections and asked the Kurds to make compromises.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:19 am Post subject: Re: US trained Salvador-style death squads operating in Iraq

Big_Bird wrote:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200605080016

Not a shred of evidence in the entire article. Just idiotic conjecture.

Big Bird, Chavez is taking a beating in the other thread, why don't you return to apologizing for his abuses?

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:36 am Post subject:

Quote:

John Pilger detects the Salvador Option
Columnists
John Pilger
Monday 8th May 2006

The author is John Pilger. He is a radical.

Here is his picture.

John Pilger is a supporter of the insurgents and wants the US to be defeated in Iraq.

Quote:

TONY JONES: John Pilger, do you still maintain that the world depends on what you call "the Iraqi resistance" to inflict a military defeat on the coalition forces?

JOHN PILGER: Well, certainly, historically, we've always depended on resistances to get rid of occupiers, to get rid of invaders.

And what we have in Iraq now is I suppose the equivalent of a kind of Vichy Government being set up.

And a resistance is always atrocious, it's always bloody.

It always involves terrorism.

You can imagine if Australia was occupied by the Japanese during the Second World War the kind of resistance there would have been, and so on.

We've seen that all over the world.

Now, I think the situation in Iraq is so dire that unless the United States is defeated there that we're likely to see an attack on Iran, we're likely to see an attack on North Korea and all the way down the road it could be even an attack on China within a decade, so I think what happens in Iraq now is incredibly important.

TONY JONES: You mean defeated militarily?

JOHN PILGER: Yes.

TONY JONES: What does that mean in terms of the resistance, and who is the resistance?

Are we talking about the remnants of the Baathist regime, or are we talking around foreign mujahadeen? Are we talking about anyone that's prepared to pick up a gun or set off a bomb?

JOHN PILGER: Why do we have a different standard of looking at what a resistance is in Iraq as it is anywhere else?

TONY JONES: Well, what do you compare it to?

JOHN PILGER: There are 12 groups.

Only three of them - and we went through the nonsense that they were all Saddam remnants for a long time, now Saddam has been captured, the resistance has actually intensified.

There are 12 groups, they're all very different, there are groups within the Shia, but what they're all united about, quite clearly, is getting rid of a foreign invader and occupier from Iraq.

And as I say, historically, be it in Algeria or in Vietnam, or France during the Second World War, it is going to be atrocious and bloody.

Now, are they Baathist?

Well, there's a greet irony here because what the United States is doing now is retraining, or rather rehiring, 10,000 of Saddam Hussein's most vicious security people.

The CIA are training these people to actually put the finger on who the resistance are, so you have - what you have going on in Iraq now is a kind of re-Nazification, the same sort of thing that went on in Germany after the Second World War.

TONY JONES: On that score, let me ask you this - is it legitimate for the resistance then to target young Iraqi men queuing up to join the Iraqi police, which you describe as a sort of Gestapo?

JOHN PILGER: You know, all resistances have said if you're going to collaborate, then you are a target.

Well, of course, the killing of innocent people can't be condoned under any circumstances.

But in all resistances, it happens.

TONY JONES: It sounds, however, like you were saying these young men, about to join this Gestapo-like police force, are not innocent?

JOHN PILGER: Well, they're not...

It's nice that you call them 'these young men'.

They're among some of the most vicious creatures

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1063309.htm

John Pilger is not anti war- he is pro war, by anyone who is against the US.

Dishonest anti war movement.

cerulean808

Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:40 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee, with that picture of John Pilger are you implying he has been at any time an admirer of Saddam Hussein?

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:56 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

The author is John Pilger. He is a radical.

Here is his picture.

John Pilger is a supporter of the insurgents and wants the US to be defeated in Iraq.

John Pilger is not anti war- he is pro war, by anyone who is against the US.

Dishonest anti war movement.

Joo-Hominem ...

Rather than "ATTACKING the man", why not try picking apart what he's putting forward? Y'know like rebutting, or trying to convince readers the points he raises are utter nonsense etc ... ?

Thanks for the ABC article btw. Makes for a really decent read.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:54 am Post subject:

[deleted] Last edited by Gopher on Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

The U.S. did not train or support any death squads in El Salvador in the 1980s or elsewhere.

The U.S. opposed these death squads, but was not able to dictate ground conditions there.

Really?

You've presumably then never heard of the notorious "School of the AmeriKas" Twisted Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_americas

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:38 am Post subject:

cerulean808 wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee, with that picture of John Pilger are you implying he has been at any time an admirer of Saddam Hussein?

Like Galloway? who knows ? People like him support any enemy of the US.

He admires those who are against the US no matter who they are.

Last edited by Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee on Tue May 09, 2006 7:46 am; edited 2 times in total

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

The author is John Pilger. He is a radical.

Here is his picture.

John Pilger is a supporter of the insurgents and wants the US to be defeated in Iraq.

John Pilger is not anti war- he is pro war, by anyone who is against the US.

Dishonest anti war movement.

He is not only left wing he is far left wing.

Since John Pilger has an agenda why ought people just accept his opinion? What makes that creep a reliable source?

I got'em.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:48 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Since John Pilger has an agenda why ought people just accept his opinion? What makes that creep a reliable source?

I got'em.

You got what exactly?

Are you going to offer a reasonable critique of him or simply stick to the high-school mentality insults?

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:49 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

Gopher wrote:

The U.S. did not train or support any death squads in El Salvador in the 1980s or elsewhere.

The U.S. opposed these death squads, but was not able to dictate ground conditions there.

Really?

You've presumably then never heard of the notorious "School of the AmeriKas" Twisted Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_americas

I don't see anyone training death squads in the article.

Ah yes the supporter of Jeff Rense who is a holocaust denier calls the US fascist.

Jeff Rense is a fascist for real just like his supporters.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:51 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Since John Pilger has an agenda why ought people just accept his opinion? What makes that creep a reliable source?

I got'em.

You got what exactly?

Are you going to offer a reasonable critique of him or simply stick to the high-school mentality insults?

He supports the insurgents and he was in Iraq while Saddam was in power . Iraq was a police state . Pilger I believe wanted to free Saddam from the sanctions.

I got'em in the picture. It is how everone should remember him.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:53 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

I don't see anyone training death squads in the article.

So therefore ... ???

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:18 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

I don't see anyone training death squads in the article.

So therefore ... ???

So therefore you ought to prove what you say, Charles.

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