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mount real
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 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: Western society is messed up |
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So I see this ad in the newspaper in Montreal: Social work helping drug-addicts. 1 year experience required. 40 hours per week. On call. 10$ an hour.
Next post: Customer service job. On the phone. Incoming calls only. 20$/hour.
What is wrong with this picture??????? What kind of society actually penalizes people that want to help others???? You can barely scrape by on 10$ an hour here.....and that means no restaurants, crap apartment, barely making rent every month. *Sigh*
Why is social work so underpaid? I don't get it. |
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canuckistan
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If that seems retarded to you how about that fella in baseball with a $200 million + contract? He gets a gadzillion $ even if he's on the injured list.
Think he's got a college degree?
Contrast that with someone who's spent the better part of their life doing important medical research and who wins a big, huge $20,000 award for a ground-breaking medical discovery that will help millions of people.
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djsmnc
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| How about that guy who slung crack rocks on the street, shot people, ran a gang, used drug money for tattoos, more drugs, and an SUV with spinners on the wheels who got signed to a label for his rhymes about slinging crack rocks on the street, shooting people, running a gang, using drug money for tattoos, more drugs, and an SUV with spinners on the wheels? He sells millions of cd's that sound similar to each other and gets paid millions for each of them. The police that arrest him for his irresponsible behavior make about $26,000 - $32,000 per year and get criticized, abused, and sometimes killed for their work. |
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| He sells millions of cd's that sound similar to each other and gets paid millions for each of them. |
Just say it, he's a talent-less fool!! And the people who buy his similair-sounding cd's are even bigger fools.... 
I am also completely baffled by the poor wages paid to social workers, especially considering what they are potentially liable for. One wrong decision, made by a newly qualified social worker with little experience or training, who is already overworked, and works on a team that is HORRENDOUSLY overworked, could lead to said SW being sue'd for millions and also losing the right to work again. The motives for SW's? A paltry salary and the knowledge that, as the OP pointed out, they will always struggle to make ends meet.
Don't even get me started on Social Care workers..... |
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Natalia
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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So it's only in the west this happens?
How about Bollywood stars who own private jets and mansions just for doing a bit of gyrating and lip-synching, while much of the Indian population starves to death?
How about stars in Korea?
How about low wages for people doing social work anywhere?
I thought there was going to be a lot more to justify this statement in this thread - not just a couple of jobs ads.
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mount real
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Natalia wrote: |
So it's only in the west this happens?
I thought there was going to be a lot more to justify this statement in this thread - not just a couple of jobs ads. |
I'm not trying to compare an emerging country like India which is rife with shantytowns with a First World Country like Canada. I was simply stating that it is strange when a country which is so high on itself doesn't provide living wages for an important job such as social work, yet pays top-dollar for university graduates to be robotic phone clerks. How do you recruit people to help others in need when you can't pay them a decent salary???? |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Western society is messed up |
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| mount real wrote: |
So I see this ad in the newspaper in Montreal: Social work helping drug-addicts. 1 year experience required. 40 hours per week. On call. 10$ an hour.
Next post: Customer service job. On the phone. Incoming calls only. 20$/hour.
What is wrong with this picture??????? What kind of society actually penalizes people that want to help others???? You can barely scrape by on 10$ an hour here.....and that means no restaurants, crap apartment, barely making rent every month. *Sigh*
Why is social work so underpaid? I don't get it. |
It's just normal economics. Not really hard to figure out. |
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mount real
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Please elaborate. |
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VanIslander
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Supply and demand.
(Not: Worthwhileness and Neediness.) |
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mount real
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
Supply and demand.
(Not: Worthwhileness and Neediness.) |
Are you saying that poverty, broken homes and substance abuse is not a major problem in the West??? It seems the demand is exploding, and will only grow as more and more baby-boomers move into retirement "castles". |
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rawiri
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Thats why any trainee social worker contemplating life @ $400 a weekl should combine their social work degree with a management or psych or criminal justice degree. Thats a guaranteed way to leap frog crappy positions like the one posted.
I remember a lecturer trying to tell us how "money shouldn't be the motivating factor to social workers, your priorites are messed up if it is".
For me it was never THE motivating factor, but it's up there. |
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tiger fancini
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| rawiri wrote: |
I remember a lecturer trying to tell us how "money shouldn't be the motivating factor to social workers, your priorites are messed up if it is".
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Very easy to say stuff like that in the cosy, comfortable lecture theatre. But in reality, of course money is the main motivation for pretty much any job. Most students/trainees are in serious amounts of debt when they graduate, so money is obviously of high importance. Why was this lecturer not gritting it out in the field if he/she seriously believes that? |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mount real wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
Supply and demand.
(Not: Worthwhileness and Neediness.) |
Are you saying that poverty, broken homes and substance abuse is not a major problem in the West??? It seems the demand is exploding, and will only grow as more and more baby-boomers move into retirement "castles". |
Not as many people are concerned with these things as they are with consumer product X that the phone center would be dealing with. There's your demand. |
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Qinella
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mount real wrote: |
| Please elaborate. |
It's the same reason you can make money by turning in recyclable aluminum cans in the US but not for other recyclable products. Because the aluminum can be used to turn a profit. It has nothing to do with recycling being a good thing.
If a business makes money, it can pay workers more. If an organization makes no money and in fact relies on public funding, it can't pay workers as much. |
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cwemory
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| canuckistan wrote: |
Contrast that with someone who's spent the better part of their life doing important medical research and who wins a big, huge $20,000 award for a ground-breaking medical discovery that will help millions of people.
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Which will in turn make billions of dollars for drug company or medical supply company CEOs and be priced so high that most of the millions who it could help don't have access to it.
(I'm going out drinking.) |
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