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MIdnight Run and Immigration
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jurassic82



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: Somewhere!!!!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: MIdnight Run and Immigration Reply with quote

I know this has been discussed before but the threads are old and I was wondering if anyone has done a midnight run recently. The reason I ask is there really anyway you can be stopped at immigration. I've never heard of anyone being stopped but I want to know if there is a risk. Is it as easy as just giving the immigration officer your ARC and then being on your way. I'd appreciate any advice on this topic. Shocked
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seoulsista



Joined: 31 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So long as your boss doesn't actually get in contact with anyone at the airport then your fine.

You just walk through they probabaly won't ask you anything.

BTW - It's always a good idea to search for the topic before you post a new one because this topic has been covered extensively. Search is at the top of the page.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: MIdnight Run and Immigration Reply with quote

jurassic82 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before but the threads are old and I was wondering if anyone has done a midnight run recently. The reason I ask is there really anyway you can be stopped at immigration. I've never heard of anyone being stopped but I want to know if there is a risk. Is it as easy as just giving the immigration officer your ARC and then being on your way. I'd appreciate any advice on this topic. Shocked


There is NO risk in your leaving. No one will stop you and hold you. You will not be arrested or detained. You are not an indentured servant or slave. You are free to quit and leave at any time.

The ONLY difficulty lies in trying to find employment if/when you return.

IF you do a runner you WILL NOT be able to obtain a new E2 visa until the old one has expired.

If you are NOT planning to return and seek re-employment then leave and have a nice flight.
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Speakerz



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am still confused though, after a midnight run, if you want to come back into the country on a tourist visa while your old e-2 is still valid...is that going to be a problem? I have never been able to get a straight answer on that. Thanks.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speakerz wrote:
I am still confused though, after a midnight run, if you want to come back into the country on a tourist visa while your old e-2 is still valid...is that going to be a problem? I have never been able to get a straight answer on that. Thanks.


Returning on a B1 / B2 visa waiver stamp is NO problem ASSUMING you turned in your ARC when you left.

You cannot get an WORKING visa without some difficulty (D or E class).
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also have problems returning on a tourist visa if your former employer flagged your passeport.

This is a very rare occurence.

Btw...why not just save yourself and your co-workers and students some aggravation and give notice instead of pulling a runner?
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would Immigration take your ARC card? People on E2 Visas go on vacations out of the country all the time... If immigration gets curious, tell them you taking a vacation back at home...
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Why would Immigration take your ARC card? People on E2 Visas go on vacations out of the country all the time... If immigration gets curious, tell them you taking a vacation back at home...

If you do not have a multi entry visa they will take your card. Palin and simple.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are leaving without a return ticket to come back, this might catch the eye of an overzealous (or non-lazy) immigration clerk.
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Speakerz



Joined: 17 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
You can also have problems returning on a tourist visa if your former employer flagged your passeport.

This is a very rare occurence.

Btw...why not just save yourself and your co-workers and students some aggravation and give notice instead of pulling a runner?


For me, my owner has basically said that if I give my thirty days, he sue me for "damaging the school" and withold my last paycheck. I dont have the time or resources to go to court to get my money. I don't really see that I have a choice.

Also, if they flag my passport, what does that mean? I wanted to come back to get my things and then go home. Can they stop me from entering or leaving the country again if I do have an onward ticket a few days later?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they flag your passeport it means they can prevent you from re-entering the country if the flag was put up for a valid reason. Your employer suing you might not be a right reason or even a legal one.

However, if you ran, broke your contract and there were clauses in the contract that said you had to pay back airfare if you left before the 6th month then that might be considered enough.

When your employer mentionned witholding your final pay, that was an illegal procedure. Talk to the Labour board.

Also, as mentionned, if you were to leave before the 6th month, most contracts ask the teacher to repay the flight over (a pretty standard clause that makes sense) so perhaps that is what your employer meant along with whatever remaining bills remain from your appartment (utilities).

If you run, the school has to pay those bills and loses out on a teacher they paid to fly over. So, both parties here (you and the school) have valid cases and reasons.

I suggest you just give notice and quit.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
If you run, the school has to pay those bills and loses out on a teacher they paid to fly over. So, both parties here (you and the school) have valid cases and reasons.

I suggest you just give notice and quit.


Sometimes, it pays to play by the book. Sometimes, it pays to play it safe. Sometimes, it makes sense to put in that car seat for your children, actually stop at that red light, install that smoke alarm in your living room, or wash your hands thoroughly after enjoying that steaming bowl of bosintang. And, yes, sometimes it makes sense to go through the proper channels if you want to quit your job in Korea.

However, while I won't jump to conclusions here, Speakerz's situation does sound exceptional.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Speakerz's situation sounds pretty mundane to me.

Disagreement with employer...each side may have a valid case.

Of course, some may prefer to automatically side with the teacher on this one...their choice really.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



Joined: 04 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For me, my owner has basically said that if I give my thirty days, he sue me for "damaging the school" and withold my last paycheck. I dont have the time or resources to go to court to get my money. I don't really see that I have a choice.


Homer wrote:
Actually Speakerz's situation sounds pretty mundane to me.


So you admit that a "mundane" hagwon boss will try to screw you over if you do the right thing? You admit that nice guys finish last? To the potential runner, this is music for sore ears. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No barking...read again...sloooowwly this time.

I said it was mundane in the sense that it was a teacher and school having some sort of disagreement. It happens. If you will quote me...quote me in full please...

I said:

Actually Speakerz's situation sounds pretty mundane to me.

Disagreement with employer...each side may have a valid case.


Good lord...that seemed simple enough. Laughing

I am not admiting nice guys finish last, middle of the pack or first...

I am saying disagreements in a school are par for the course because teachers and administrators operate on different levels. This happened to me in the HS I taught at in Ontario and it happens to me at my current university.

I said that Speakerz's situation was a basic disagreement where both sides had valid points.

However barking..if you wish to see this as an admisson of something on my part and if it makes you feel better then by all means interpret it that way! Very Happy

Knock yourself out buddy. Very Happy
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