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Being a Korean-American in S. Korea
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tammiyk



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Being a Korean-American in S. Korea Reply with quote

I have a question for you guys (especially those of you who are Korean-American): What is the general reaction like when you are ethnically Korean but raised in an English speaking country and you're not fluent in Korean?

I'm hoping to look into getting a job as an ESL teacher in Korea once I graduate from university next year, but although I am ethnically Korean, I was born in the USA and I actually really consider myself to be mainly American (much to the chagrin of my traditional parents). I grew up rebelling against Korean language school and as a result I am not fluent in the language and I never even really had Korean friends (I've always had a strong distaste for the Korean-American youth where I grew up).

Part of me really wants to teach for a year (and possibly go to graduate school in Seoul). I think the experience would be amazing and in a way "going back to my roots." But I'm wondering how much I'll be looked down upon and if anyone has any first-hand experience as a KA in Korea.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will basically be alienated from everyone.

Foreigners will think you're just another Korean and will talk openly about you in your presence. Especially if you're a girl.

Koreans will not know you're any different and will talk to you normally. When you can't reply, they'll make the natural assumption that you're mentally handicapped.
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Foreigners will think you're just another Korean and will talk openly about you in your presence. Especially if you're a girl.


Assuming that the Korean will not understand at all? That's brave then. So much like some Koreans who automatically assume foreigners around them wouldn't understand their Korean at all. Smile
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggyji wrote:

Assuming that the Korean will not understand at all? That's brave then. So much like some Koreans who automatically assume foreigners around them wouldn't understand their Korean at all. Smile


And both happen a lot, don't they?
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tammiyk



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
doggyji wrote:

Assuming that the Korean will not understand at all? That's brave then. So much like some Koreans who automatically assume foreigners around them wouldn't understand their Korean at all. Smile


And both happen a lot, don't they?


That happened to me a few months ago, actually. My family went on a bus tour of the West Coast (California, Utah, Arizona, etc...) with some of our relatives who were visiting from Korea and my sister and I were the only ones who could speak English. And of course, there was one particular teenage boy who sat in front of us and openly talked about how he couldn't understand why when you're Korean-American why you just can't speak Korean since it's your "mother tongue" and how we clearly must be stupid.

Of course, he didn't take into account that we can both understand what he was saying.

I intend on brushing up on my Korean anyway. I can get along all right conversationally especially once I surround myself with Korean 24/7 I am more at ease speaking the language. My mother even notices how much I pick up when I'm around my relatives from Korea.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggyji wrote:
Koreans who automatically assume foreigners around them wouldn't understand their Korean at all. Smile


Haha yeah its a kinda giveaway when they say waygookin.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you come here to work will you be doing it as an American or as a Kyopo?

What I mean is,it could affect your paycheque.

On the westerners talking about Koreans and vice versa,I think there's a basic difference.

A westerner will either simply not care,or prove themselves to be a redneck nutjob.

Koreans on the other hand simply cannot seem to resist the opportunity to say something,anything."Oh!!An outside country person!What can I do???"

Does get a bit sad.Surely Koreans in Korea can't be THAT surprised to see western people anymore?Or to hear Koreans conversing in English for that matter??And this is in the affluent city areas.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Foreigners will think you're just another Korean and will talk openly about you in your presence. Especially if you're a girl.


You can pretty much always tell a korean american apart from the normal hordes...

but sometimes its fun to talk about them in front of them even when you know they are korean american Twisted Evil


I have quite a few korean american friends, some of them from when i first got here and they didnt speak any korean either...They didnt have too much trouble...

One thing they all seemed to mention is native koreans giving you evils or even saying something to you if you speak english too much...Apparently they think youre a korean and trying to show off..

Other than that, they didnt have much trouble..Just make sure not to have that attitude that some korean americans have...the whole super superior attitude..
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
You will basically be alienated from everyone.

Foreigners will think you're just another Korean and will talk openly about you in your presence. Especially if you're a girl.

Koreans will not know you're any different and will talk to you normally. When you can't reply, they'll make the natural assumption that you're mentally handicapped.


i think that's a bit pessimistic. there's gonna be some alienation on the korean side, but if you grew up hanging out with non-koreans, then you'll be cool hanging out with foreigners. there will be some odd times when people assume you can't speak english (get ready to find out what they "really" think of you), but that'll get cleared up in a hurry once you open your mouth.

I don't think koreans hold any strong antipathy toward gyopos. do they? i'm guessing that the main trouble is just the constant issue of people thinking you understand the language and not understanding why you "refuse" to speak it.
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Marley_Doug



Joined: 12 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if I really count, for this one. I'm a Korean American, but only half. Foreigner definitely see it a lot easier than the Koreans, but the Koreans can sorta tell. They often assume that I'm Japanese or Hawaiian. The kids really get a kick out of finding that I'm Korean.

It also great that I have family here, too.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I doubt it'll be as bad as racetraitor makes it out to be, you should probably enroll in a Korean language crash course prior to looking for work so that you can at least handle the basics in conversation. My coworker (who does the same job as myself) is Korean-American and her resume in Korea prior to starting work at my company wasn't too shabby, either.

Even if you can't speak Korean, if you brush up on the SAT or TOEFL tests and look for work doing that, you can do well financially here. I only know a few gyopos, but they seem to get on fine here, at least as well as me.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know who guy who speaks pretty decent Korean but reports several times being insulted as a 'shame to the nation' for speaking English to his friends. Guess the age and gender of the people doing the insulting and you win a cookie.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't mean that foreigners will give you any problem. Just that they won't know to talk to you because they won't see you.

Seriously, if you're in a subway filled with people, can you really find who's a Korean, who's a half-Korean, and who's a Korean raised in another country?
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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Location: under your bed... with a marker

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah screw it man. i'm in the same shoes as you and i'm havin a blast. the only difference is that i'm a guy.

just keep an open mind and don't freak out. smile a lot and be happy. vibes are contagious and if you act like you hate the country, people'll hate you.

and there's PLENTY of gyopos for you to hang out with. trust me. PLENTY.

so whatever you do, get an F-4 visa before you come. you've got gyopo privilege, which pretty much allows you to do whatever natives can do (teach privates without hiding, switch jobs at the drop of a hat, multiple entry visa without notification, etc.). the only things you CAN'T do is vote and get conscripted into the military. a pretty good trade off in my opinion.

pm me if you got any questions.
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Alyssa



Joined: 15 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what I have seen, Korea Americans seem to really talk LOUD at immigration offices, trying to show that they are not Korean, and they seem to want to prove something like they are super cool, and they seem to have some kind of resentment of White Americans, I don't know why, but that is what I have noticed.
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