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Wangja
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 Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: US judge rules wiretaps illegal |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5260892.stm
Good news.
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| A US programme to tap some phones without warrants is unconstitutional, and must be halted at once, a federal judge in Detroit has ruled. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Indeed, but don't hold your breath on it surviving the appeals process. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Lets hope the judges decison gets overturned. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Lets hope the judges decison gets overturned. |
Dude, please denounce your citizenship... How much did Bush pay you to join up? |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Not to worry. This will be overturned. This judge has a history of backing left wing causes. Case in piont: she tried to cherry pick a judge to hear a Michigan Affirmative Action case. She had to back down. |
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Wangja
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| It's left wing to object to illegal wire taps? |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Who says they are illegal? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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So far, publicly, this judge and the American Civil Liberties Union.
Plus, at a guess, a majority of clear-thinking Americans. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Lets hope the judges decison gets overturned. |
Dude, please denounce your citizenship... How much did Bush pay you to join up? |
says someone who apologizes for Hizzbollah. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I picked this up on Yahoo News:
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Bush blasts court ruling on surveillance By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 15 minutes ago
President Bush on Friday criticized a federal court ruling that said his warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional, declaring that opponents "do not understand the nature of the world in which we live."
"I strongly disagree with that decision, strongly disagree," Bush said, striking his finger on a podium to underscore his point. "That's why I instructed the Justice Department to appeal immediately, and I believe our appeals will be upheld."
U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit on Thursday was the first to find the National Security Agency surveillance program unconstitutional. The program involves monitoring international phone calls and e-mails to and from the United States involving people with suspected ties to terrorists.
"If al-Qaida is calling in to the United States, we want to know why they're calling," Bush said.
Critics say the surveillance program skirts the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires court warrants for domestic eavesdropping. The administration has argued that obtaining warrants from a secret court set up under FISA is a time-consuming process unsuited for the government's fast-moving war on terror.
The judge said the government, in defending the program, appeared to be saying the president had the "inherent power" to violate laws of Congress.
"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control," Taylor wrote in a 43-page opinion. "... There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."
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It issue is now in the courts, where it belongs. I'm confident that the courts will trim back federal power in this area. With Republicans having been in power so long, the courts are filled with conservatives, and a major part of conservatism is the fear of over-reaching government power.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Lets hope the judges decison gets overturned. |
Dude, please denounce your citizenship... How much did Bush pay you to join up? |
says someone who apologizes for Hizzbollah. |
 
OK, you are back to being studiously ignored. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Lets hope the judges decison gets overturned. |
Dude, please denounce your citizenship... How much did Bush pay you to join up? |
says someone who apologizes for Hizzbollah. |
OK, you are back to being studiously ignored. |
you are still an apologist for Hizzbollah |
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