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Yo!Chingo
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dogbert
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As usual, Pat nails it:
Crux of the problem?
� Both parties are paralyzed by guilt over American past racial sins.
Solution.
� A ten-year moratorium on all legal immigration, at the level JFK favored in 1958 -- 150,000 to 250,000 a year. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| good luck enforcing that one. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| That's what I llike about you, BB; you're just filled to overflowing with confidence. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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oh I am; I'm quite confident that dogbert's "dream" won't become a reality.  |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| oh I am; I'm quite confident that dogbert's "dream" won't become a reality. |
Agreeing with JFK is good company. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| oh I am; I'm quite confident that dogbert's "dream" won't become a reality. |
Agreeing with JFK is good company. |
JFK was really quite weak in several areas. I am very much with Gore Vidal on Kennedy (see his historical novel Washington D.C.).
But let's set that aside for a moment. I do not believe that talking about what JFK may have said in 1958 can have too much relevance for the problems we are facing in 2006. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| oh I am; I'm quite confident that dogbert's "dream" won't become a reality. |
Agreeing with JFK is good company. |
JFK was really quite weak in several areas. I am very much with Gore Vidal on Kennedy (see his historical novel Washington D.C.).
But let's set that aside for a moment. I do not believe that talking about what JFK may have said in 1958 can have too much relevance for the problems we are facing in 2006. |
So your answer to these problems is no restrictions on immigration? I would say that JFK's advice is even more relevant to these problems since not following his advice in the first place (thanks LBJ!) has caused these very same problems. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| So your answer to these problems is no restrictions on immigration? |
That's not what I read Gopher as saying. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So your answer to these problems is no restrictions on immigration? |
That's not what I read Gopher as saying. |
He's saying that what JFK said about stricter limits on legal immigration is irrelevant to today's problems.
Ergo, he does not favor restrictions. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
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So your answer to these problems is no restrictions on immigration?
That's not what I read Gopher as saying.
He's saying that what JFK said about stricter limits on legal immigration is irrelevant to today's problems.
Ergo, he does not favor restrictions.
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Couldn't it also be that he favours limitations, but just not as strict as the ones proposed by JFK? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Couldn't it also be that he favours limitations, but just not as strict as the ones proposed by JFK?
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No, that can't possibly be it. It's all or nothing, baby. |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
As usual, Pat nails it:
Crux of the problem?
� Both parties are paralyzed by guilt over American past racial sins.
Solution.
� A ten-year moratorium on all legal immigration, at the level JFK favored in 1958 -- 150,000 to 250,000 a year. |
Pat nails it, or Pat panders to an undefined hysteria? Reading the report, all that Buchanan seems to be saying is that "the west is passing away". Then he goes on to cite various factitious stats and guesstimates, all with the implication that foreigners are entering the country - and that's a bad, bad thing.
The crux of the problem? What's the problem??? It's heavily insinuated that it's related to foreign immigration to the US, but not stated as to why this is a problem. How will this contribute to the "death of the west"? Buchanan accuses Republicans of being overly concerned with econonmics. Why , what should they be concerned with?
It's all written between the lines, but since Dogbert seems to have picked up on Buchanan's inferred threat, maybe you could enlighten the rest of us? |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| It really needs no explanation; Buchanan is a very plain speaker, leaving virtually nothing "between the lines". |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| It really needs no explanation; Buchanan is a very plain speaker, leaving virtually nothing "between the lines". |
Humor me...
You've described
* "The crux of the problem" (Both parties are paralyzed by guilt over American past racial sins).
* "The solution" (A ten-year moratorium on all legal immigration).
but you, and Buchanan have yet to state what the problem is.
What is the problem? |
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