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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:48 am    Post subject: Dylan says modern recordings 'atrocious' Reply with quote

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/6/story.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10397667

Dylan says modern recordings 'atrocious'

1.00pm Wednesday August 23, 2006


LOS ANGELES - Bob Dylan says the quality of modern recordings is "atrocious," and even the songs on his new album sounded much better in the studio than on disc.

"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really," the 65-year-old rocker said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.

Dylan, who released eight studio albums in the past two decades, returns with his first recording in five years, Modern Times, next Tuesday.

Noting the music industry's complaints that illegal downloading means people are getting their music for free, he said, "Well, why not? It ain't worth nothing anyway."
"You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them," he added. "There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static."

Dylan said he does his best to fight technology, but it's a losing battle.

"Even these songs probably sounded ten times better in the studio when we recorded 'em. CDs are small. There's no stature to it."

- REUTERS

Interesting what he says about piracy. I can't wait to hear the new cd.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's just getting old and cranky.

Vinyl can sound better than CD if you have about 5000 dollars to spend on a hi-fi and you are prepared to never have kids or a party where your vinyl will get scratched.
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tweeterdj



Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Location: Gwangju

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what utter nonsense from a technical standpoint. i am in absolute shock at the crazy rantings of someone who obviously doesn't understand things. perhaps todays music has too much in it, fine. but there's no definition, there's sound all over them? that's nonsense! in some cases that might be true, but there are albums from way back that were released on vinyl (if that is the argument) that were mixed terribly and subsequently have no 'definition'. and "CDs are small"???? what the hell is that supposed to mean? i realize bob is old and probably has done a fair amount of damage to his brain, but to actually voice your opinion that a medium sucks because it is smaller than another? yeesh, keep SOME of your dignity intact, old man... Rolling Eyes
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I_Am_Wrong



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he means the actual physical size of a cd.
However, cd's do suck. I miss my vinyl collection.
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edgellskiuk



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be Dylan is not against cd technology as such, but against how it is being utilised. I think Dylan is making the point about compression of modern music taking away dynamic range. Here are some articles on the issue:

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm

and

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicdeath.htm

Alternativly it could ust be he could be as eamo said "old and cranky".

All I know is I liked franz ferdinands first album on the radio but played it once through my hifi and could not listen to it again as it gave me a headache. Of course I am "old and cranky"
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fight technology...you go for it, Bob. Sounds like his VCR is flashing 12:00 forever to me....

He's just getting old. It's sad when once cool people turn into what they hated in their youth. He now sounds like the old guys who he was railing against in the 60's and 70's. Against change, hates the 'new', the old ways were the 'good' ways, can't see anything good in the next generations....meh. Take a rest gramps.
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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new cd is wonderfull IMHO. Go ahead, download it, Bob won't mind.

http://www.mininova.org/tor/405417

We all know he's a cryptic dude and he hardly ever does interviews. So this thing in Rolling Stone where he says he "fights technology"" while promoting a new cd named "Modern Times"" is just usual Bob.

He's still cool.
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I_Am_Wrong



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Fight technology...you go for it, Bob. Sounds like his VCR is flashing 12:00 forever to me....

He's just getting old. It's sad when once cool people turn into what they hated in their youth. He now sounds like the old guys who he was railing against in the 60's and 70's. Against change, hates the 'new', the old ways were the 'good' ways, can't see anything good in the next generations....meh. Take a rest gramps.


he may be old, but he's right. Mp3's are most definitely worthless since they have the worst audio quality since 8-track.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
Demophobe wrote:
Fight technology...you go for it, Bob. Sounds like his VCR is flashing 12:00 forever to me....

He's just getting old. It's sad when once cool people turn into what they hated in their youth. He now sounds like the old guys who he was railing against in the 60's and 70's. Against change, hates the 'new', the old ways were the 'good' ways, can't see anything good in the next generations....meh. Take a rest gramps.


he may be old, but he's right. Mp3's are most definitely worthless since they have the worst audio quality since 8-track.


I defy you to tell the difference between an MP3 with 256~320bit+ encoding and anything else. The type of setup you would need to hear the lost frequencies in the MP3 are well beyond the average persons stereo.

Besides...Bob is missing the point of MP3 compression altogether. It came about as a means to share music files on the internet. It's small and sounds good with proper encoding. Half the crap on the networks is poorly encoded at very low bit rates for file size concerns and this is hardly a fair sample of what MP3 compression can do.

Bob is talking about something he seems to know little about.
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't think of many of the best records in the last 20 years can match the best records of the previous 20 years.

But maybe I'm old and cranky too.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's be clear. Bob was talking about the quality of the recording, not the quality of the material being recorded. This is a subject that can be discussed objectively, unlike the latter, which is wholly subjective.

As I said, I dare anyone to let me do a blind test on them with vinyl and a 320bit MP3 and tell me which is which. Of course there are differences, with vinyl being the superior media, but for the majority of people, MP3 is already more than they can hear. What are we....dogs?

Wink
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
What are we....dogs?

Wink


I've seen a couple dogs walking around Itaewon Wink

But ya, for practically everyone who listens to music, they can't tell the difference.
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's simply not true. Anyone who enjoys music can tell the friggin difference between a record and an MP3.

You guys have been away from the hi-fi for too long.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopChaeJoe wrote:
That's simply not true. Anyone who enjoys music can tell the friggin difference between a record and an MP3.

You guys have been away from the hi-fi for too long.



Right....scratches, pops, hiss....I sure miss it.

No Joe...you speak of MP3s like they are all the same. Vinyl may have such a set standard, but MP3 doesn't. LAME produces a great quality MP3, as does any software that supports it.

Now, I am not talking about the usual MP3s one gets off the net, but CBR and VHBR files. The size of these is quite large and therefore they are not popular with people trying to squeeze the most out of their 512MB MP3 players, or for people up/downloading from the net. However, with this MP3, it would be near impossible to discern any differences.

My guess is that most people have never heard or used a lossless MP3, and they think all MP3s are 128bit, 3.5MB files. Well, luckily, MP3 is very flexible and can do much more than that.

Anyhow...take your vinyl on the train, bus or taxi and enjoy that superior sound.

Vinyl, while providing good sound, was just a pain overall.
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever. I'm not going to argue with you. But to these ears, MP3s are a compromise technology.

And I don't listen to music when on the bus, train, or taxi. I see a lot of people doing that though.
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