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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

Flew back from Hanoi the other day and made it through the gates with almost no time to spare, despite the fact I arrived the mandated 2 hours early. I would have been there my usual 2.5-3 hours early, had it not been for Vietnam Airlines delaying my connection, but that is another story. Anyhow, to cut a long story short, the reason why it took me over an hour to check in on a reasonable sized line was that a group of young Koreans had taken it upon themselves to give all their passports (around 30 in all) to a single person who was checking them all in. What really infuriated me was that the line was in no way reserved for group check ins. Even though the VA rep tried to explain to them that this was not the correct line to do such a thing, they badgered him until he checked them through. What's more, once this turkey finally finished, another guy was allowed to cut in line and do the same thing.

I wouldn't even post this, except that its happened to me a number of times now. And what's more, after talking with friends, they have all run foul of this practice in the past. Can someone explain the need to do this, rationalise it or suggest some way in which certain segments of the Korean travelling public can be educated not to inconvenience others?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just amazed flying last time. Detroit to Japan to Korea. Every line was like, a line. People stood in them. Waited their turn. Until I got to the Korean immigration line. The guy who checks your stuff just before you get out of immigration. Suddenly the Koreans fell into Korean mode and your ajusshi started trying to cut the line.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the 'package tour' deal. When I was applying for my visa at Phnom Penh airport I had that happen to me. The leader of the tour group dumped down 30 applications infront of me and I got stuck behind them.

For added amusement the guy then tried to go around the back of the processing place to hurry along the applications!
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First time it happened was in Jakarta last year, on my way to get married. There is a visa on arrival booth you must negotiate before fronting immigration and although I made a quick sprint off the plane to get through, a bunch of golfclub wielding adjoshis had got in and were making multiple visa applications. My mother and then fiance waiting for me outside thought I had done a runner. Not cool. Someone needs to repremand these buggers.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always had good experiences with lines in Incheon Int'l. The security line is usually much more civilized than in the States -- nobody yelling at you reminding you to take your jacket off, for example. Last time I went home the contrast between Incheon and San Francisco was shocking.
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Jarome_Turner



Joined: 10 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
...although I made a quick sprint off the plane...


Holy *beep*!
This must REALLY tickle a nerve with you! (I'll be hiding under my desk over here for the rest of the day... Smile )
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
...a group of young Koreans had taken it upon themselves to give all their passports (around 30 in all) to a single person who was checking them all in....infuriated me...certain segments of the Korean travelling public can be educated not to inconvenience others?

So you would rather inconvenience the group of 30 by having them have to stand in the line instead of just one of them. Laughing

I can understand how it can be a little irritating, even frustrating when you're in a big hurry, but to get all righteous and indignant and "infuriated"...? Anger seems a bit misplaced and won't help you around here.

Are your expectations realistic for Korea? I expect such behaviour now and just Rolling Eyes
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
...a group of young Koreans had taken it upon themselves to give all their passports (around 30 in all) to a single person who was checking them all in....infuriated me...certain segments of the Korean travelling public can be educated not to inconvenience others?

So you would rather inconvenience the group of 30 by having them have to stand in the line instead of just one of them. Laughing


Actually, yes VanIslander. Most definitely. That way you can choose the shorter line. Or seeing that there is a huge line, just wait on a bench somewhere. Imagine going into a bit shorter of a line when there is more than one booth open (usually) and then that happens. 20 people go by in the other line. It's just bad luck, but I think you can see what I mean Wink

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Some people seem to be touchy about this. My argument is just a counter point, and it's very easy to see why it would anger someone, especially while traveling, one of the most stressful times. A group check in is technically faster and definitely more efficient than processing each one-by-one, but would ofcourse be agravating to the person behind.


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Jarome_Turner



Joined: 10 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
...a group of young Koreans had taken it upon themselves to give all their passports (around 30 in all) to a single person who was checking them all in....infuriated me...certain segments of the Korean travelling public can be educated not to inconvenience others?

So you would rather inconvenience the group of 30 by having them have to stand in the line instead of just one of them. Laughing

I can understand how it can be a little irritating, even frustrating when you're in a big hurry, but to get all righteous and indignant and "infuriated"...? Anger seems a bit misplaced and won't help you around here.

Are your expectations realistic for Korea? I expect such behaviour now and just Rolling Eyes


I suggest you join me under my desk.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently took a group of students to Canada and made sure that everyone had her own passport and ticket with her. The problem was that at Immigration we got all split up, so I can sort of see the point of doing it there. As for bording, I think it's just part of the group / lack-of-independence mentality. Some of these people really don't think they can do anything as individuals.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
...a group of young Koreans had taken it upon themselves to give all their passports (around 30 in all) to a single person who was checking them all in....infuriated me...certain segments of the Korean travelling public can be educated not to inconvenience others?

So you would rather inconvenience the group of 30 by having them have to stand in the line instead of just one of them. Laughing

I can understand how it can be a little irritating, even frustrating when you're in a big hurry, but to get all righteous and indignant and "infuriated"...? Anger seems a bit misplaced and won't help you around here.

Are your expectations realistic for Korea? I expect such behaviour now and just Rolling Eyes


I expect the 'group' to stick to the group check in line where they belong and not launch a guerilla raid on the lines reserved for individual check in. Maybe my expectations are a bit high, you would think that after three years here it would be the least of my worries, but still, I was rather hacked off by the whole thing.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
... you would think that after three years here it would be the least of my worries, but still, I was rather hacked off by the whole thing.

Travelling can be tiring. Caught you at a weak moment.

People SHOULD stand in the right line. But it is OFTEN the practice to have group reps ahead of oneself. Happened to me twice.

I always appreciate the fact that at the airport at least there IS a line of any sort. Laughing
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Group Check In Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
jaganath69 wrote:
... you would think that after three years here it would be the least of my worries, but still, I was rather hacked off by the whole thing.

Travelling can be tiring. Caught you at a weak moment.

People SHOULD stand in the right line. But it is OFTEN the practice to have group reps ahead of oneself. Happened to me twice.

I always appreciate the fact that at the airport at least there IS a line of any sort. Laughing


Yeah, true, if you have ever caught a plane to or from the subcontinent you will realise that Koreans look positively civilized by comparison.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are checking in at the regular line, then I'd walk over to the group check-in line (only if its available- if a group is waiting, forget it) and ask them to check me in. If they say no, then I'd ask why a group is checking in at the regular check-in line.

If you are really running late, you can always flag down the guy who monitors the line, and maybe he'll let you cut in front- they only do this if it's like 30 min before departure, though.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:
If they are checking in at the regular line, then I'd walk over to the group check-in line (only if its available- if a group is waiting, forget it) and ask them to check me in. If they say no, then I'd ask why a group is checking in at the regular check-in line.

If you are really running late, you can always flag down the guy who monitors the line, and maybe he'll let you cut in front- they only do this if it's like 30 min before departure, though.


That's what I did in the end, cornered the lady and complained about the situation. The irony was I was bumped in front of perhaps the only two Koreans who weren't booking in as part of a group and felt pretty lousy about putting them out.
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