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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Swallowing my pride - how can I win her back? |
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I met this great girl a few months ago and after some time we hooked up and started dating. She's a really inspirational girl, something special.
Anyway, she went overseas for a month and during this time we chatted sometimes on the net. I would send e-mails every now and then. We liked each other a lot. I thought it would be a matter of time until true loves comes into the picture. I always told her that I missed her but I never said that I loved her.
Which was the problem. She spent the whole month thinking if I loved her or not. The fact that I didn't call her, buy her flowers or gifts (but we go out to eat a lot) showed that I didn't.
I screwed up three times. First time was when I didn't call her overseas when she gave me her number (I lost it). Second time was when she wanted to meet in Kangnam and I asked why (I didn't know that it would take her 1 hour to get there and another hour to my place - she came to my place). Thirdly, I still don't have my own phone. I've been using hers but I told her that I will get one. This was all during my transfer hell when I was changing school, hotels and finally ending up at a place resembling mold hole. I still don't have my own phone but I will try and get one today.
Basically, I didn't show enough commitment to our relationship, which made her hesistant about me and eventually undecided about our relationship. We talked yesterday and I tried to tell her how I felt and that I was sorry. We seem to have this problem about reaching each other, heightened by the fact that I don't have a working phone yet.
Furthermore, she will be moving to a far away place about 2 hours from Seoul. The only chance I will get to see her is on the weekends or public holidays (and vice versa). She thinks that living 2 hours away from each other is not going to help our relationship.
I need to make up for the dumb mistakes by proving to her that I'm serious about our relationship. I take these things slowly, to be sure that its on. I believe she wants to try again, but I just need to win her heart in a big way.
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I never think about women as something to be "won"
either she likes you or she doesn't,
either you have commitment or you don't.
Personally I wouldn't want to be travelling 2 hours to see
someone all the time either |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Swallowing my pride - how can I win her back? |
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rocklee wrote: |
she will be moving to a far away place about 2 hours from Seoul. The only chance I will get to see her is on the weekends or public holidays (and vice versa). She thinks that living 2 hours away from each other is not going to help our relationship. |
Baby steps. Make plans to visit her on the first weekend she moves there, then the second, then the third.
I pay 20,000 won one-way to comfy express bus it from the south coast to Seoul, a four-hour trip (just got back last night from a two-day trip there).
You can pay 15 bucks and spend two hours on a comfy bus if you really care. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. Never speak of the inconvenience (in High School I biked for an hour each way to spend a Saturday with my gal and it never seemed like an "inconvenience": she was there, I was a certain distance away, I bridged the gap, done, not a second thought). Do it and do it gladly. That'll show you care. And bring a little something each time (e.g., something from a store she can't get, a DVD, even just a photo of the two of you you got developed, etc).
So you can see her every weekend. And assuming you have a cell phone (if you don't, get one cheap), or a home phone, call her every day to chat. yes, every day. Not always for long, if you have a cell then on your way to work or home after work, or while waiting in line somewhere.
It's the little things that will matter to her. SHOW don't say how you feel.
Good luck whatever. |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006 Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think Maishimaro nailed it.
Immature "princesses" devise secret tests for their unwitting, prospective mates and it's all silly games.
Yes, you made a few foul ups, but you're a guy. That's what we do.
We're not all maestros of the relationship twists and turns.
Truth is, do you really want to be with someone who's playing games with you and testing your love all the time
(question mark button doesn't work on this computer)
I wouldn't. |
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canuckistan Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Mashimaro wrote:
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Personally I wouldn't want to be travelling 2 hours to see
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I dispute that. My not-yet-husband and I did the 2+ hour traveling thing on weekends/holidays for 2 years in Korea--despite a lot of base-is-locked-down-due-to-protests stuff and his heavy training schedule, we just kept going.
If it's the right person, even 20 hours of traveling is insignificant.
Best of luck to you Rocklee  |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Benicio wrote: |
I think Maishimaro nailed it.
Immature "princesses" devise secret tests for their unwitting, prospective mates and it's all silly games.
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Mostly agree with that.
I've always found that you have a good time initially with them, then they out of the blue pull some ridiculous stunt on you and blame you for some unfounded misdemeanour, then dissapear.
The point of this game is to turn the tables and see if you will chase and pursue. Its a gamble for them and the plan is to put all the power squarely in their hands. Looks like you are ready to become the simpering flower-bearing suitor now. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Swallowing my pride - how can I win her back? |
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A couple things we need to know:
How old are the two of you?
How long have you been in this country?
She could be serious, using you for a fling or also for English lessons. Once given age, it would be easier to predict the behavior said K-girl.
You also need to find out how serious she is about you before you do anything rash. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Swallowing my pride - how can I win her back? |
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VanIslander wrote: |
rocklee wrote: |
she will be moving to a far away place about 2 hours from Seoul. The only chance I will get to see her is on the weekends or public holidays (and vice versa). She thinks that living 2 hours away from each other is not going to help our relationship. |
Baby steps. Make plans to visit her on the first weekend she moves there, then the second, then the third.
I pay 20,000 won one-way to comfy express bus it from the south coast to Seoul, a four-hour trip (just got back last night from a two-day trip there).
You can pay 15 bucks and spend two hours on a comfy bus if you really care. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. Never speak of the inconvenience (in High School I biked for an hour each way to spend a Saturday with my gal and it never seemed like an "inconvenience": she was there, I was a certain distance away, I bridged the gap, done, not a second thought). Do it and do it gladly. That'll show you care. And bring a little something each time (e.g., something from a store she can't get, a DVD, even just a photo of the two of you you got developed, etc).
So you can see her every weekend. And assuming you have a cell phone (if you don't, get one cheap), or a home phone, call her every day to chat. yes, every day. Not always for long, if you have a cell then on your way to work or home after work, or while waiting in line somewhere.
It's the little things that will matter to her. SHOW don't say how you feel.
Good luck whatever. |
Man this one was a real spirit lifter, thanks.
You're right, action does speak louder than words. I just didn't show or say enough of it. My Korean is non-existence so we survived on her English (she is not Korean).
She is not a princess even though I've paid for all our dates out. Financially I am in a better position than her so its only fair. I've never been to her place which is an hour away from Seoul and 2 hours from my place. She has been the one doing all the travelling and she usually stays at my house for the weekends.
She is moving to Dangae (spelling?) which is way past Suwon. I was thinking of visiting her every weekend to bridge the gap at least. I'm pretty sure she is not going to have all the convenience that she needs in the country side, so yeah I can bring back all the rare stuff. Travelling isn't a problem for me, she was always willing to travel first.
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How old are the two of you? |
Our combined age is 59 years, she's in her late 20s so I'm the old one.
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How long have you been in this country? |
Um, 4 months.
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The point of this game is to turn the tables and see if you will chase and pursue. Its a gamble for them and the plan is to put all the power squarely in their hands. Looks like you are ready to become the simpering flower-bearing suitor now. |
Could be. But I think its mostly my fault as I didn't do all the romantic stuff (remembering that we just started out as friends). It took me nearly one month to call her the first time because I was so busy. I think she thought that I was the one playing games so yeah a whole lot of misunderstanding. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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I see your problem rocklee and sympathies.Dating Koreans can often be an exercise in miscommunication and misunderstanding, they seem to flip out at stuff westerners wouldn't even notice. My take is that many K-women are basically spoiled princesses that want everything their way. You have to be the one to call and text, initiate everything always, and basically do everything they want, or they throw a tantrum and punish you.
Don't beat yourself up. Remember, if you'd shown your interest and called her every day from the start, she'd have run a mile. thats the wierd thing. You play it straight, they lose interest. She was only interested in you BECAUSE you were distant and indifferent. Ever looked at it that way??  |
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HydePark
Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Rocklee,
It sounds like you've been through some trying times, and are thankful for her support (giving you the phone to use, coming to see you), and I do agree that actions speak louder than words, as others have suggested.
On this note, just want to emphasize the importance of communication, so perhaps saying to her directly how much she means to you, that you're sorry that your actions (or inaction) in the past may have given her the impression that you didn't care, that you want to move forward in a relationship and be attentive...(perhaps you've said all these things already?), and most importantly: ask her for her input on what would show that you're committed to a relationship.
Maybe these are all things you've done, but I just wanted to mention them 'cuz I think that open communications is a great foundation for a relationship.
So, good luck as you move forward, as it sounds like your job situation has settled, and you now have time to focus on what's important: her.  |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Distance is not a big deal if you are meant to be.
My husband and I spent a year apart when we were dating. In actual fact, our first year of dating was spent apart - he in Korean, I in England... We managed it and then when I finished doing what I had to do, I moved to Korea to be with me.
If you want it badly enough, you can do it. |
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MorgolKing

Joined: 18 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
Benicio wrote: |
I think Maishimaro nailed it.
Immature "princesses" devise secret tests for their unwitting, prospective mates and it's all silly games.
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Mostly agree with that.
I've always found that you have a good time initially with them, then they out of the blue pull some ridiculous stunt on you and blame you for some unfounded misdemeanour, then dissapear.
The point of this game is to turn the tables and see if you will chase and pursue. Its a gamble for them and the plan is to put all the power squarely in their hands. Looks like you are ready to become the simpering flower-bearing suitor now. |
I don't know about this particular situation but I agree that this happens a lot. There are quite a few girls, who even though they're interested, will try to test you to see how far you'll go. I used to have the mentality of "if I want her then I'm going after her" and would not be happy with the way the relationship turned out. I've been happier just letting the girl know I'm interested and if she starts playing games, then I cut her loose. If she doesn't come back, she's not interested enough. If she does come back the relationship is much better b/c she knows you're willing to let her go if gives you crap.
But if you've been blowing her off from the beginning then you might be in a totally different situation. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003 Location: pusan baby!
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
I see your problem rocklee and sympathies.Dating Koreans can often be an exercise in miscommunication and misunderstanding, they seem to flip out at stuff westerners wouldn't even notice. My take is that many K-women are basically spoiled princesses that want everything their way. You have to be the one to call and text, initiate everything always, and basically do everything they want, or they throw a tantrum and punish you.
Don't beat yourself up. Remember, if you'd shown your interest and called her every day from the start, she'd have run a mile. thats the wierd thing. You play it straight, they lose interest. She was only interested in you BECAUSE you were distant and indifferent. Ever looked at it that way??  |
I totally, totally agree |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Forget her. Forget her. Forget her!!!
Things aren't going to get better.
You KNOW this. You just FEEL for her SO MUCH!!!
But Forget It!!!!
Look at some of my previous posts on relationships, because I'm not going to type a whole essay again. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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MorgolKing wrote: |
Junior wrote: |
Benicio wrote: |
I think Maishimaro nailed it.
Immature "princesses" devise secret tests for their unwitting, prospective mates and it's all silly games.
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Mostly agree with that.
I've always found that you have a good time initially with them, then they out of the blue pull some ridiculous stunt on you and blame you for some unfounded misdemeanour, then dissapear.
The point of this game is to turn the tables and see if you will chase and pursue. Its a gamble for them and the plan is to put all the power squarely in their hands. Looks like you are ready to become the simpering flower-bearing suitor now. |
I don't know about this particular situation but I agree that this happens a lot. There are quite a few girls, who even though they're interested, will try to test you to see how far you'll go. I used to have the mentality of "if I want her then I'm going after her" and would not be happy with the way the relationship turned out. I've been happier just letting the girl know I'm interested and if she starts playing games, then I cut her loose. If she doesn't come back, she's not interested enough. If she does come back the relationship is much better b/c she knows you're willing to let her go if gives you crap.
But if you've been blowing her off from the beginning then you might be in a totally different situation. |
I haven't been blowing her off, and I'm not sure if I can cut her off like that. |
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