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Yusef



Joined: 30 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: Am I being unrealistic? Reply with quote

I only have one year of experience teaching in korea
it was at a very poorly run hagwon
I have no ESL certification
I did not major in education
I have done no post graduate work

I really want to make at least 2.6 million a month
and have housing, airfare, severence n all that good stuff too

i keep hearing people are out there makin good money
is it just the very qualified/experienced?
pretty much every job i come across is 1.9 to 2.2

i was making 1.9 last year and thought that was average until everyone i met looked at me like i was some poor sap and said "oh that isn't very much"
but now
i keep passin up jobs hoping more money is out there
but i can't seem to find it
am I expecting too much?
I don't mind working alot
but i don't want to truck all over korea doing privates n breaking the law
or be treated like crap from some hagwon owner who thinks he is kim jong il
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.6? Maybe. But I don't think it's about qualifications. I think it's more about the research you put into finding that dream job, and the people you know who can introduce you to the people offering it.
I would love to hear if you get it...
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Yusef



Joined: 30 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm
ok
thats what i wanted to know
i kinda figured
oh well
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.6 plus housing? yeah, you are unreasonable. Who would give it to you? Seriously, what do you bring to the table with 1 year of experience? When I made the jump from the 1.9/2.0 range to the 2.5/2.6 range it was with 3 years of solid experience plus very good references.

If you want the money, you pay the dues if you have nothing tangible to offer. I also have no certification and my major was in biochemistry. But I now have 5 years of experience and could put together letters of reference from 2 principals, 2 vice principals and higher up people in the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education.

So, if you and I go for a job that pays 2.6, who will get it? And I dont pretend to be overtly qualified either, Im sure there are people who bring far more to the table than me.

Pay your dues and stop hoping for miracles.
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Yusef



Joined: 30 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju.
In a perfect world, the people with the highest qualifications would get the best, highest paying jobs. This is not a perfect world.
Yes, if you and he (or she) went for the same job, you SHOULD get it. But what if you were fat, ugly, and black (yes, racism occurs here), while the less qualified person is tall, blond, athletic, a nine out of ten, and oozes charisma? This IS Korea.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am an Economics major with a TESOL cert. and no teaching experience. I was offered 2.3 with housing + but could not take the job due to an early start date. 2.2 with housing + is fairly easy to find. I am making 2.1 now with housing + but with overall work conditions that suited me best.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
jinju.
In a perfect world, the people with the highest qualifications would get the best, highest paying jobs. This is not a perfect world.
Yes, if you and he (or she) went for the same job, you SHOULD get it. But what if you were fat, ugly, and black (yes, racism occurs here), while the less qualified person is tall, blond, athletic, a nine out of ten, and oozes charisma? This IS Korea.


Howeve Im none of those things. Not fat (188cm, 77kg), not ugly. and not black.

Jobs that pay 2.5 and above will not be going by the same criteria as jobs that pay 1.9. being handsome and blonde isnt enough to secure them, you know that. Ofcourse stranger things have happened and Im sure it MIGHT happen. The guy though is pasing up work hoping for a miracle.
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Yusef



Joined: 30 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(my hair is really more of an auburn than blond, but with some natural highlights)
I did get an offer for 2.5
thats the kind of thing that made me unsure of wheter or not i was being too unrealistic
some jobs are 1.8, some are 2.5, i hear about people making 3.0 and up
i just wasn't sure
which is kind of why i wrote this thread, to see if i should just take it or keep waiting
but i am now convinced to just take it
so thanks a bunch
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he got offered 2.5


so jinju, call it a draw?
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jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What stopped you accepting the offer of 2.5?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Re: Am I being unrealistic? Reply with quote

Yusef wrote:
I only have one year of experience teaching in korea
it was at a very poorly run hagwon
I have no ESL certification
I did not major in education
I have done no post graduate work

I really want to make at least 2.6 million a month
and have housing, airfare, severence n all that good stuff too

i keep hearing people are out there makin good money
is it just the very qualified/experienced?
pretty much every job i come across is 1.9 to 2.2

i was making 1.9 last year and thought that was average until everyone i met looked at me like i was some poor sap and said "oh that isn't very much"
but now
i keep passin up jobs hoping more money is out there
but i can't seem to find it
am I expecting too much?
I don't mind working alot
but i don't want to truck all over korea doing privates n breaking the law
or be treated like crap from some hagwon owner who thinks he is kim jong il


You say you were offered 2.5? But in your OP you said you cant find such work. So you turned down 2.5 because you were hoping to find 2.5? Sorry, you arent making any sense.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
jinju.
In a perfect world, the people with the highest qualifications would get the best, highest paying jobs. This is not a perfect world.
Yes, if you and he (or she) went for the same job, you SHOULD get it. But what if you were fat, ugly, and black (yes, racism occurs here), while the less qualified person is tall, blond, athletic, a nine out of ten, and oozes charisma? This IS Korea.


I disagree. In a perfect world, the perfect person for the job would get the job, highest qualifications or not. Then again, in a perfect world, the person with the highest qualifications in something should be doing that something... Wink
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for 4 years now and have seen salaries remain the same..I've even noticed many places are not even offering housing anymore. so basically you getting 1.8-2.2 million with no housing for many jobs out there..

I think employers are justifying these lame salaries by saying the US Dollar is alot weaker now than the won... This reasoning doesn't make sense considering we don't live in the US.. We live here and have to deal with Korean inflation not American inflation.. Rolling Eyes

Don't lower your standards.. don't accept the jobs with lame salaries and employers will be forced to raise their salaries..
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