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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: "Unavoidable collateral damage," my *ss... |
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"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
IDF commander: We fired more than
a million cluster bombs in Lebanon
By Meron Rappaport
"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.
In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.
the rest of the story . . .
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Israel bombed the runways not the hangers that is why flights can come in and out of Lebanon.
Israel bombed Hizzbollah TV but left the power grid alone.
If Hizzbollah is an organization that is not out to destroy Israel then Israel used too much force. On the other hand if Hizzbollah is an organization out to destroy Israel then Israel is justified in throwing everything it has at Hizzbollah. They don' t have to wait for the next Hizzbollah attack.
You mean that Israel ought not go after its mortal enemy with everything it has ? Why? What ever Israel does not destroy will be used against Israel. |
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Maugrim
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, grow up. You pacifist. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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As usual, it's only wrong if Israel does it. No articles of outrage for the thousands of rockets Hezbollah fired indiscriminantly into Israel. And why would there be. Everyone knows that Israel deserves it. 
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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As usual, it's only wrong if Israel does it. No articles of outrage for the thousands of rockets Hezbollah fired indiscriminantly into Israel. And why would there be. Everyone knows that Israel deserves it.
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Well, considering this is from an Israeli newspaper it's probably a safe assumption that they've mentioned Hezbollah rockets elsewhere. Can I ask, where exactly is the "outrage" you mention? Is this another example of media bias? They report something that's critical of Israel and they lose perspective? Become dizzy with contempt and outrage and lash out?? It's a newspaper article like any other, isn't it?
It's newsworthy if people in the army report that your army is breaking international law, and causing unintended damage.
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| In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. |
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The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.
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The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended.
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These things shouldn't be mentioned because, why? It seems that you think Palestinians do deserve it. |
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Maugrim
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I once had relations with this Doe-eyed arab chick. She had curves like a race track. Anyway, I crashed in to her wall and flamed all over her track.
Collateral damage! |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The Palestinians and Hezbollah DO deserve it. There are no civilians in the Middle East. The Arabs have seen to that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: "Unavoidable collateral damage," my *ss... |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| "In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. ] |
Here's another example of you twisting the facts to suit your story.
Phosphorous shells are NOT forbidden by international law. Their USE AGAINST CIVILIANS OR MILITARY PERSONEL is forbidden. If you use phosphorous shells in order to mark a target or provide a smoke screen that is fine. Nowhere in your article does it specifically state that these shells were for use or used against civilians. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: "Unavoidable collateral damage," my *ss... |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| "In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. ] |
Here's another example of you twisting the facts to suit your story.
Phosphorous shells are NOT forbidden by international law. Their USE AGAINST CIVILIANS OR MILITARY PERSONEL is forbidden. If you use phosphorous shells in order to mark a target or provide a smoke screen that is fine. Nowhere in your article does it specifically state that these shells were for use or used against civilians. |
The OP's quoting there, in fact everything in the post comes direct from the article. So, no one's twisting anything. You're right in that it doesn't say people were targetted with these bombs. However, it does say...
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International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.
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| The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military. |
and of course...
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"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
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The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.
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It seems obvious, reading the article, that some IDF members are of the opinion that coating towns in phosphorous bombs, while not directly targetting people, is indiscriminate enough that some people are victims of (what will then be) an illegal weapon. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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You guys all kill me, especially arguing about what is legal and illegal regarding war.......doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that it is all about -- WHAT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH.
Yeah, shell them to death and then comment that they are also shelling you, so they deserve it (mind you , their rockets are mere match sticks to your flame throwers).
Just crazy. Either you see the whole insanity of the mess or you continue to argue to kill, destroy, blockade, create populations of despair.........
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| The Palestinians and Hezbollah DO deserve it. There are no civilians in the Middle East. The Arabs have seen to that. |
So Israel, in the middle east, has no civillians either?? They deserve it by the actions of their government? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: "Unavoidable collateral damage," my *ss... |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| "In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. ] |
Here's another example of you twisting the facts to suit your story.
Phosphorous shells are NOT forbidden by international law. Their USE AGAINST CIVILIANS OR MILITARY PERSONEL is forbidden. If you use phosphorous shells in order to mark a target or provide a smoke screen that is fine. Nowhere in your article does it specifically state that these shells were for use or used against civilians. |
The OP's quoting there, in fact everything in the post comes direct from the article. So, no one's twisting anything. You're right in that it doesn't say people were targetted with these bombs. However, it does say...
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International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.
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| The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military. |
and of course...
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"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
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The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.
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It seems obvious, reading the article, that some IDF members are of the opinion that coating towns in phosphorous bombs, while not directly targetting people, is indiscriminate enough that some people are victims of (what will then be) an illegal weapon. |
It seems even more obvious, reading the article that "coating towns in phosphorous bombs" did not happen. Those were CLUSTER BOMBS. Again nowhere does it state that phosphorus bombs were used against people. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| The Palestinians and Hezbollah DO deserve it. There are no civilians in the Middle East. The Arabs have seen to that. |
So Israel, in the middle east, has no civillians either?? They deserve it by the actions of their government? |
I was tempted to tell you that you give him too much legitimacy by even acknowledging his nonesense, but I have to say that was one response worth giving. |
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