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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: 'I want to go to Japan' |
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for the anti-japanese sentiment I found it interesting that a lot of my third years would like to travel to japan. Mostly they were interested in anime and girls, however a lot said they were interested in japanese culture.
Is that a sea change I see on the horizon? Or just that the mist is covering Dokdo. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hasn't it always been like that? Most Koreans I know (rather than nationalist idiots on the news) are able to think of Japan as a pretty cool place while simultaneously feeling all kinds of han about Dokdo and comfort women and the sikminji etc. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Publicly and officially: "Japan has raped this country as well as our women for hundreds of years! Burn in Hades!"
Privately and off the record: "Man, their food (sushi) is great and I dig those half-naked manga comics! I'm off to Japan!!!"
I've spent at least a year in both countries. Japan blows... |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I drew a Korean map on the board asking about students holiday destinations(if any,most will study for tests)and they shouted "Where's Dokdo!!"
Ok,then.Little dot there.
Asked them what Dokdo means to them.ACTUALLY means.
"Korea,Japan........."
Oh,be quiet.Get over it.
It's not until Koreans get out of the country that they start to get interested in the outside world.Japan is a convenient and cool place to start.
Some of them can lose their instilled nationalism(over what!!??Its a couple of rocks.Uri Dokdo,Uri ddan....wtf???Are they truly serious??)and see it as a cool place to go.Most can't.
Its funny to see Koreans and Japanese in the same class overseas.Some couldn't care less,others seethe...most of the guys want or certainly wouldn't mind a Japanese gf. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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I too think it's always been that way, at least for a while. And really, I don't think it's private or off the record. I mean, there's japanese restaurants all over the place, japanese cartoons showing 24 hours a day on cable, bookstores full of japanese comics, Japanese movies in the theater (especially ones that have Japan falling into the ocean) J-pop hour on the music channels, that Ayumi girl is on TV 25 hours a day, lexus dealerships, etc. I mean, Korea is not crazy about Japan, but it's not even close to total animosity. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
I too think it's always been that way, at least for a while. And really, I don't think it's private or off the record. I mean, there's japanese restaurants all over the place, japanese cartoons showing 24 hours a day on cable, bookstores full of japanese comics, Japanese movies in the theater (especially ones that have Japan falling into the ocean) J-pop hour on the music channels, that Ayumi girl is on TV 25 hours a day, lexus dealerships, etc. I mean, Korea is not crazy about Japan, but it's not even close to total animosity. |
Incorrect and misleading. Most Koreans harbour deep resentment towards Japan. And from my five years in Korea talking about this issue a significant majority of them, even including young adults, will openly say they don't like Japanese. They still want to visit the place, but that doesn't mean they like Japanese people. When you're a tourist you don't have to interact deeply with the locals if you dont want to. You get to see the sights, do the shopping, eat the food. You dont have to like the locals to do that. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Satori wrote: |
Incorrect and misleading. Most Koreans harbour deep resentment towards Japan. And from my five years in Korea talking about this issue a significant majority of them, even including young adults, will openly say they don't like Japanese. They still want to visit the place, but that doesn't mean they like Japanese people. When you're a tourist you don't have to interact deeply with the locals if you dont want to. You get to see the sights, do the shopping, eat the food. You dont have to like the locals to do that. |
So, sort of like with English speakers and the French then? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I've been surprised by how many Koreans told me they wanna go to Africa. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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I would agree. There is, I think, a sort of grudging admiration for Japan's economic and cultural successes, but this does not mean that the average Korean likes or trusts the people in that culture itself.
There is a thread now where many people are criticizing the Arab world. I do not mean to drag that thread here, but only to use it as an example: many people who criticize still might like the fashions and food of the middle east very much, and might even be interested in seeing the sights.
Ken:> |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Japan is the nearest biggest country to Korea after China, so it's influence on Korea if only in subtle ways is huge. Korea doesn't have any other country to compare itself too in terms of it's culture. There are too many connections for the people not to interact and not feel a mutual respect for each other.
A lot of the fads of Japan drift this way. Koreans also grudgingly respect Japan, because they are the only Asian country that was able to take on the world.
Korea is also flavour of the month in Japan because of the Korean soap operas and dramas. The gender gap is pretty big in Japan and they are seeing that it needn't be so through the eyes of Korean TV dramas. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe I read before that Koreans make up the largest number of tourists to Japan. It would make sense, they live next door and they have the cash.
I just wish they'd stop teaching their kids the people over there are bad. It's sad to hear a ten year old with these hateful opinions. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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rothkowitz wrote: |
I drew a Korean map on the board asking about students holiday destinations(if any,most will study for tests)and they shouted "Where's Dokdo!!"
Ok,then.Little dot there.
Asked them what Dokdo means to them.ACTUALLY means.
"Korea,Japan........."
Oh,be quiet.Get over it.
It's not until Koreans get out of the country that they start to get interested in the outside world.Japan is a convenient and cool place to start.
Some of them can lose their instilled nationalism(over what!!??Its a couple of rocks.Uri Dokdo,Uri ddan....wtf???Are they truly serious??)and see it as a cool place to go.Most can't.
Its funny to see Koreans and Japanese in the same class overseas.Some couldn't care less,others seethe...most of the guys want or certainly wouldn't mind a Japanese gf. |
I think it is more than just some rock islands. When you talk about islands, you are talking about mineral rights, fishing rights, and oil. Because of a bad deal negotiated by France, the people of St. Pierre and Miquelon did not end up any major oil from the seas in North America. Look at the tussle between England and Spain over the Rock of Gibraltar.
But I do agree that the Korean nationalism is part of such provincialness. When you compare Korea to North America, you must remember Korea is part of the Old Country. It is not a country of immigrants until just recently. It was not a major world trading country until a few decades ago. The U.S. and Canada basically had the doors open, people came (head tax and all) and they brought food, guys and gals, and some people first could not stand each other, and some groups got along more and more over time. It would help if a Japanese leader would give Koreans more of a reason to see things are different. Maybe Shenzo Abe will. For the record, I like Japanese food a lot. At least, the stuff I tried in North America. And I would rather have Sake than Soju.
I like hot Sake. How different is Japanese from Japan compared to the North American stuff? |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I haven't seen many people who hate every single thing about a certain country. Japan got lots of cool factors and it's damn close to Korea.  |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Satori wrote: |
billybrobby wrote: |
I too think it's always been that way, at least for a while. And really, I don't think it's private or off the record. I mean, there's japanese restaurants all over the place, japanese cartoons showing 24 hours a day on cable, bookstores full of japanese comics, Japanese movies in the theater (especially ones that have Japan falling into the ocean) J-pop hour on the music channels, that Ayumi girl is on TV 25 hours a day, lexus dealerships, etc. I mean, Korea is not crazy about Japan, but it's not even close to total animosity. |
Incorrect and misleading. |
*Groan* Honestly, who talks like this? Kiwiboy, if you didn't use these kinds of supercilious expressions, your mundane opinions would be easier to bear. Or conversely, if your opinions weren't so dull they might deserve the kind of language you wrap them up in. Why are you back on this board? It was nice being able to read through a thread without skipping a post every time I saw damn buddha avatar.
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Most Koreans harbour deep resentment towards Japan. And from my five years in Korea talking about this issue a significant majority of them, even including young adults, will openly say they don't like Japanese. They still want to visit the place, but that doesn't mean they like Japanese people. When you're a tourist you don't have to interact deeply with the locals if you dont want to. You get to see the sights, do the shopping, eat the food. You dont have to like the locals to do that. |
I say Koreans don't hate Japan entirely, and you say that most Koreans have a deep resentment towards Japan. Do you see how those two things aren't mutually exclusive? You're just confused and it irritates me. If you would just think through your posts more carefully... |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
Satori wrote: |
billybrobby wrote: |
I too think it's always been that way, at least for a while. And really, I don't think it's private or off the record. I mean, there's japanese restaurants all over the place, japanese cartoons showing 24 hours a day on cable, bookstores full of japanese comics, Japanese movies in the theater (especially ones that have Japan falling into the ocean) J-pop hour on the music channels, that Ayumi girl is on TV 25 hours a day, lexus dealerships, etc. I mean, Korea is not crazy about Japan, but it's not even close to total animosity. |
Incorrect and misleading. |
*Groan* Honestly, who talks like this? Kiwiboy, if you didn't use these kinds of supercilious expressions, your mundane opinions would be easier to bear. Or conversely, if your opinions weren't so dull they might deserve the kind of language you wrap them up in. Why are you back on this board? It was nice being able to read through a thread without skipping a post every time I saw damn buddha avatar.
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Most Koreans harbour deep resentment towards Japan. And from my five years in Korea talking about this issue a significant majority of them, even including young adults, will openly say they don't like Japanese. They still want to visit the place, but that doesn't mean they like Japanese people. When you're a tourist you don't have to interact deeply with the locals if you dont want to. You get to see the sights, do the shopping, eat the food. You dont have to like the locals to do that. |
I say Koreans don't hate Japan entirely, and you say that most Koreans have a deep resentment towards Japan. Do you see how those two things aren't mutually exclusive? You're just confused and it irritates me. If you would just think through your posts more carefully... |
If you realise how "these two things aren't mutually exclusive" then you'll also realise how your posts are as irritating to me as mine are to you. It's how you put it, it's subtext and intention. Your post was misleading. You list food, cartoons, comics, music, a girl on tv, and a car dealership ( truly absurd, as if regular people have any control over that ) to prove that it's not "total animosity". The presense of those things doesn't prove that at all, they are inevitable due to proximity. No country cuts off all contact with a neighbour becuase the bulk of the population harbour resentment towards it. Those things are artifacts, not people. Consuming those artifacts does not in any way show that there is not huge resentment of Japan as a political entity, and a general, and less logical, antithesis towards the people of Japan. It's real, it's tangible, it's reinforced at a governmental level in school textbooks. It's a profound part of the culture, and is very consistant across the country, and across the age spectrum. Your post did not directly contradict this fact, but the tone, and what you chose to include and omit did imply as much. It was, in effect, spin.
As for my opinions being mundane, that may be because they are based more on reality than yours. Fantasy is often more appealing. As for me needing to think my posts through more, feel free to have narcissistic copulatory relations any old time. I'm all over you like a cheap suit Gilligan... |
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