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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Working on a tourist visa ? Reply with quote

A school where I've been offered a job wants me to come and teach a month before I can get the E-2. The director says that immigration won't mind because we are waiting for my degree. I'm very wary and suspicious about this and I think it might be a set-up because the school would essentially be able to control me, threaten me with deportation etc. I'm thinking about rejecting the offer. Does anyone have any experience of this sort of thing or any advice?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: Working on a tourist visa ? Reply with quote

corroonb wrote:
A school where I've been offered a job wants me to come and teach a month before I can get the E-2. The director says that immigration won't mind because we are waiting for my degree. I'm very wary and suspicious about this and I think it might be a set-up because the school would essentially be able to control me, threaten me with deportation etc. I'm thinking about rejecting the offer. Does anyone have any experience of this sort of thing or any advice?


If you do it, the risk is all yours.

Schools (hakwons) bear little risk and only a small fine if you get caught working illegally. They can lose lots of students and profits if they don't have a foreign teacher. They are willing to risk a small fine at your expense.

You on the other hand risk everything. By working illegally you are risking your salary, getting fined, possibly detained and/or deported.

If there is some contractual dispute, you have no legal standing to make a complaint. Your boss can work you for 6 weeks and they say thanks, but we don't need you now. We found some American that will make the mothers very happy. You can go now. Oh yeam since you didn't work for 6 months we won't repay your airfare and we have some expenses to pay so we will withhold your salary too.

What will you do? Piss and moan into the wind? Go to the police or labor board and tell them that you were working illegally and want their help to collect your salary? Good luck with that.

AND if you think it won't happen, your boss has already proven himself to be a liar, "The director says that immigration won't mind because we are waiting for my degree". Ask the consulate if it is OK for you to work on a tourist visa while you wait for your degree. What do you think they will say? "Sure, come on over. We would love for you to break our laws."

Then think about in your home country. Is it OK for some migrant worker to come into your country/town on the pretext of being a tourist and then starts working illegally?

There are HUNDREDS of new jobs posted every week, more than a thousand every month. Just wait the extra 4 weeks and you will be legal.

It's NOT worth the risk to come early.

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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. I know its a bad situation to be in and I'm going to reject the offer. Should I go to work in such a school legally if they agree to wait another month or have they shown themselves to be unsuitable? I'm thinking I should just break off contact.
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Panic



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When schools are desparate you'll hear all sorts of lies. My advice is to think twice about working for a 'super disorganised' and/or desparate school.

[Please note that Korean schools are generally disorganised by western standards so expect to be *beeped* around a little but certainly don't tolerate a lot if you have yet to enter the country]

Panic
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It shouldn't take a month to get all the formalities processed through immigrations- 2 weeks tops, unless the bureaucracy now is so involved that it indeed does take a month to process, which would definitely suck.....

I wouldn't see any reason for you to teach for a whole month with a tourist visa, 1 to 2 weeks is enough time for them to get everything through immigrations, which is the amount of time I taught before I went on my visa run.

I think they want to have a probationary period to see how you react to your new environment before spending the money to get your visa confirmation number. And unless this probationary period is stated in your contract- then yeah, don't take it....
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't get my degree until November 9th and they want me to come and start teaching at the start of October. I'm not doing it but does this mean they are a bad school or just desperate?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But since you're talking about this in early September does raise some flags for us because most of us got our visa confirmation forms or numbers in 2 weeks for our E2s.

Again, I think they want to see how you pan out before going through the formalities of getting you your visa.
And again, if it ain't in your contract- don't do it!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corroonb wrote:
I won't get my degree until November 9th and they want me to come and start teaching at the start of October. I'm not doing it but does this mean they are a bad school or just desperate?


They are willing to lie to you AND openly break the law because they are that desperate.

That can only be a sign of more difficulties in the future.

With more than a thousand new jobs posted every month do you really want to put yourself in a place that is like that?

I understand that like most glossy-eyed newbies you are anxious to sign on the dotted line, get on an airplane and get over here but really? What would your mother tell you to do? Impatient newbies ALWAYS get cheated because they are willing to sign up for the first thing that comes along.

Let a little bit of common sense prevail here. Korea and it's ESL business are NOT going to go away between now and November 9. The chances of you getting screwed over by being an illegal are HIGH. Any school willing to lie to you now is most likely willing to lie to you later.

PATIENCE is a good thing. Good things come to those who wait.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I agree with the other two posters, that a school that can't get its ducks in the row ahead of time to get the work visa, does not inspire confidence. Many times these things do work out, but if you were looking for a safer bet, I'd give them a wide berth.
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white tiger



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's been my experience at both hogwans; a huge delay before i was actually 'legally working'. but it always worked out.
i wonder if it's because they want to test u a little; make sure you're not a freak? cuz if u are, then it's easy for them to sack you.
it seems they have no concept of what it's like to be coming from another country, and a completely different culture. it is SHOCK for sure, but not in the jolt of electricity sense.
and perhaps your school hasnt had many foreigners? they may not be efficient at all the paperwork yet. my first school took 3 months to send me on a visa run. but they were incredibly reliable (other than that), and they had a tonne of history with foreign teachers, so who really knows.
yes, there are shady hogwans, so be careful, but if the deal is what u really want, i would take the leap.
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corroonb



Joined: 04 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the responses, as always this board has proved very helpful. I think that a month is far too long to teach illegally without getting caught, even a few weeks is probably too long. I shall wait for something more promising.
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