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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: Ethnic Profiling |
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To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly fanatics intent on killing us -- law enforcement and security screeners are not allowed to "profile" people in public places or security checkpoints. However, they will continue to perform random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with metal hips and even Medal of Honour recipients. But targeting Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40 constitutes "ethnic profiling."
Let's pause a moment and review....
In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
(a) A salesman from Utah
(b) An construction worker
(c) A college student on Spring Break
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics by:
(a) Your grandmother
(b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer
(c) A mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) A bluegrass band
(b) Dallas Cowboy fans
(c) A tour group of 80-year-old women
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
During the 1980's numerous Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a) A family on their way to Disney World
(b) Jesse Ventura
(c) A Boy Scout Troop
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy
(b) The UPS guy
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a) A girls' choir
(b) A hardware store owner
(c) A secretary
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave
(b) A plumber going to visit his mom
(c) A Catholic nun
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) A college-bound freshman
(b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston
(c) A waitress
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by:
(a) A starving actress
(b) A mom with a newborn
(c) Twin six-year-old boys
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over the Pacific was attempted by
(a) Hawaiian school kids
(b) An decorated Vietnam Veteran
(c) Twin sisters on their way to Paducah
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) A local TV weatherman
(b) A dad and his two sons on a ski trip
(c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in Yemen by:
(a) A child in a stroller
(b) A high school class on their way to visit Washington, DC
(c) Newlyweds on their way to Miami
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked -- two flown into the World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by:
(a) A retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti
(b) A firefighter going to Maryland for training
(c) An paramedic on his way to vacation in Hawaii
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from:
(a) USAID relief workers
(b) Jewish Pilgrims
(c) Christian missionaries
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped and beheaded by:
(a) The Peace Corp
(b) Scottish clansmen
(c) Cuban refugees
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in Moscow were murdered in sieges by:
(a) Russian exchange students
(b) The Red Guard
(c) Church planters
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from "The Butcher of Baghdad," but most American military personnel were killed by:
(a) Iraqi school-girls
(b) Street vegetable venders
(c) Women without burkas
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains by bombs in Madrid, detonated by:
(a) Morning commuters
(b) A three-year-old Chinese girl
(c) Flamenco dancers
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains in London, detonated by:
(a) Rail workers
(b) Those unable to hail taxis
(c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and children, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These innocent civilians were murdered by:
(a) Construction workers
(b) Farmers
(c) Christian missionaries
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led by:
(a) "Youth"
(b) Soccer fans
(c) Catholic nuns
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500 Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men, women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs detonated in civilian population centers by:
(a) Fruit vendors in Baghdad
(b) Disgruntled transit union workers
(c) Iraqi schoolteachers
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets launched by:
(a) the Salvation Army
(b) remnants of the 'Jackson Five'
(c) the cast of 'Friends'
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
In 2006, a plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was attempted by
(a) members of the royal family
(b) Japanese tourists
(c) groupies of the band 'Cream'
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells still in U.S. urban centers. Several of these cells have been uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the terrorists cell members were:
(a) Southern Baptists Conventioneers
(b) Lutheran Youth Groups
(c) Presbyterian Elders
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
President George Bush said this week, "America is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation." The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." In light of this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their silence is deafening...
Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the point. Singling out "Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40" is not "ethnic profiling," it's "terrorist profiling" -- acting on prolific evidence.
Anyone for Terrorist Profiling? |
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nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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ditto,
are we more afraid of insulting people of Arabic descent than we are of another massive attack on our homeland?
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Tens of thousands of innocent drivers, pedestrians, and shoppers across the country are victims of racial profiling. And these discriminatory police stops and searches have reached epidemic proportions in recent years - fueled by the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror" that have given police a pretext to target people they think fit a "drug courier," "gang member," or "terrorist" profile. In fact, racial profiling is the first step in a long road that leads to the heavily disproportionate incarceration of people of color, especially young men, for drug-related crimes, and of Arabs, Muslims and South Asians for suspicion of terrorism. This despite the fact that people of color are no more likely than whites to use or sell drugs, and Arabs Muslims and South Asians are no more likely than whites to be terrorists.
We must end the practice of racial profiling.
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from www.aclu.org
Just a logical question, if police are using racial profiling to stop certain drivers, why would this necessarily lead to higher arrests? Just stopping someone's car and searching wouldn't alway lead to an arrest would it? Unless the people they are stopping are actually in breaking some law.
This is the same aclu that is so eager to remove religious symbols from government buildings but rejoice the installation of a prayer room (Musholla) for muslims at the FBI hq in Quantico. There's a phrase echoing in my mind:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of "Spiritus Mundi"
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
-- William Butler Yeats, "The Second Coming" |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, there are many groups. However, why is it that the only ones who bother the US are the Muslims and the Greenies? |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Tim Mc mofo Veigh.
Arayan Brotherhood
Una Bomber
Michigan Militia
Army of God
Phew! No whiteys got no problem with the U.S no how, no way.
PS
Greenies jumped the list now?? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Some corrections:
Beslan had no Middle Eastern participants, so the answer to that is e) none of the above .
Munich had nothing to do with Islam. In fact most early Palestinian terrorists were closer to commies than Islamic fundies.
Pan Am 103, once again, not "islamist"
Pakistanis are not Middle Eastern, so you can take off the David pearl bit as well as the London Bombings and airline plot.
Paris riots were not related to religion and had non-muslim participation.
RE:iraq. give me a break dude. WE invaded a country. Don't you think we'd be a little pissed off if some foreign country invaded us??
Hundreds of Israeli civilians were killed?? Eh yeah dude, Hizballah wishes it were that effective.
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| Killed in the conflict were 211 members of Hezbollah militia and allied factions, 119 Israeli soldiers, 1,187 Lebanese civilians and 44 Israeli civilians. |
2006 war summary
Ask any terrorist expert and he or she will point out how ineffective profiling will be. Al-Qaeda and co. will just recruit women and other people that don't fit the profile to carry out their acts. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
Tim Mc mofo Veigh.
Arayan Brotherhood
Una Bomber
Michigan Militia
Army of God
Phew! No whiteys got no problem with the U.S no how, no way.
PS
Greenies jumped the list now?? |
The guy who shot Lincoln.
The guy who shot Reagan.
The guy who shot Martin Luther King Jr.
The guy who shot JFK.
The guy who's responsible for the Jonestown 'mass suicide'.
The people who killed 4 million native Americans.
Most serial killers in North America.
Most people who go nuts and go on a shooting rampage.
Yeah, gotta be careful for those 17 to 40 year old muslims.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Bucheon Bum wrote:
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| Munich had nothing to do with Islam. In fact most early Palestinian terrorists were closer to commies than Islamic fundies. |
Given the general demographic of marxist terrorists during their early 70s heyday, you could easily have made a case for profiling white university dropouts from wealthy families between the ages of 19 and 24.
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| Beslan had no Middle Eastern participants, so the answer to that is e) none of the above |
And none of the London bombers were from the Middle East. Plus, one of them wasn't even born to Middle Eastern or Muslim parents.
From the opening post:
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In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from:
(a) USAID relief workers
(b) Jewish Pilgrims
(c) Christian missionaries
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
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So, there was no one in the Afghan government over the age of 40?
And since Osama bin laden is currently over the age of 40, I guess he could just get waved through customs, no questions asked, eh? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
Bucheon Bum wrote:
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| Munich had nothing to do with Islam. In fact most early Palestinian terrorists were closer to commies than Islamic fundies. |
Given the general demographic of marxist terrorists during their early 70s heyday, you could easily have made a case for profiling white university dropouts from wealthy families between the ages of 19 and 24.
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| Beslan had no Middle Eastern participants, so the answer to that is e) none of the above |
And none of the London bombers were from the Middle East. Plus, one of them wasn't even born to Middle Eastern or Muslim parents.
From the opening post:
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In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from:
(a) USAID relief workers
(b) Jewish Pilgrims
(c) Christian missionaries
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.
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So, there was no one in the Afghan government over the age of 40?
And since Osama bin laden is currently over the age of 40, I guess he could just get waved through customs, no questions asked, eh? |
They haven't caught him yet, have they?
I guess that's why some Yugoslav war criminals haven't been caught yet. They were looking for young muslim Middle-Eastern men, not old European christians (christian men who are responsible for the death of thousands of muslims, by the way). |
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nasigoreng

Joined: 14 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: |
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racial profiling is one (1)law enforcement tool;
NOT the ONLY tool.
If a passenger pays for a ticket in cash, has no check-in luggage, and happens to be Middle-Eastern/South East Asian .... i think it warrants a little extra attention. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| nasigoreng wrote: |
racial profiling is one (1)law enforcement tool;
NOT the ONLY tool.
If a passenger pays for a ticket in cash, has no check-in luggage, and happens to be Middle-Eastern/South East Asian .... i think it warrants a little extra attention. |
No it doesn't. That's racism. It's offensive to all of us people dedicated to a peaceful coexistence. You are a moron.
(Please note the sarcasm.) |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I'm a German American. My people went through this during WWII. Go ahead and profile. Its the least Muslims can do to help. We Germans never peed and moaned about this we pitched in nad help. Muslim Americans get a F- in this area. They are very treasonous. The Muslims whine and cry 10,000 times as much as the Germans did and we even got sent to camps. These people *itch and moan way too much. What a bunch of spoiled crybabies. Sponges. Where do they get that idea from?
I'm a victim so my opinion is very good. |
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On the other hand
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| The Muslims whine and cry 10,000 times as much as the Germans did and we even got sent to camps. |
Okay, the irony here is intentional, right? I mean, I really do hope that you're trying to be funny. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| No, there was internment camps in Texas for German Americans during WWII. We were interned. You don't hear about because we aren't whiney snively spoiled brats. Go look for yourself. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| No, there was internment camps in Texas for German Americans during WWII. We were interned. You don't hear about because we aren't whiney snively spoiled brats. Go look for yourself. |
I dunno... you seem a bit too preoccupied with your notion of German victimhood to see the obvious irony in what you've said. |
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